Security guard who shot driver at ta kills self

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  1. mjd4277

    mjd4277 Road Train Member

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    That was BEFORE witnesses made statements to the police observing him trying to mess with the truck that was driven by the driver he shot. In addition the statement he made to the police didn’t jive.
     
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  3. D.Tibbitt

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    Just another moron with a gun and the sad part is , its dimbos like this that the media loves to run the gun control arguments around , claiming guns are bad and should be banned. But the real problem is not the guns but the morons behind the gun.
     
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  4. x1Heavy

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    I wonder if he went out of state to a range that does not necessarily link his NAME to the recent news coverage in another state.

    Our ranges are very, very sensitive to those who are not having a good day. I once showed up after a difficult morning dealing with a bad set of plugs and was not quite settled by then. They asked me some pointed questions and learned the difficulty I had with the plugs earlier that day. Normally it was not a problem however when looked at towards the end of month against the bank account its a little more important to be sure it's covered as a paid expense.

    They were able to let me shoot, but after a time with coffee and story telling from others to lighten the situation. They were pretty good about it. Always were. And it was time to go shoot. Nothing else mattered once you entered that door.

    With that said for someone to suicide at the range is a horrible thing. It creates a can of worms all about the range and if things are amiss or somehow not done properly they can have some problems from that kind of investigation.

    I consider the bad guy who suicided selfish, refuses to accept the punishment for possibly a bad shoot for which he knows he is in the wrong. Its a horrible situation all around. HOWEVER... one part of the situation via Court etc with this person is probably the idea that he will lose his freedoms and potentially a few other things that was really important to him. (He threw that away when he opened fire on the trucker there is constantly little to no defense against that kind of force used)

    Some question mental instability. I say certainly. I have been in stressful situatons where its possible to have trouble with the mind and associated thinking about it but sooner or later it clears out when the situation resolves nicely for all concerned. IF I have time to sit and think a little. No one who is healthy and functioning normally goes somewhere with the idea that they will commit suicide and make a big mess with a few gallons of blood and brain matter etc. (That stuff sticks to everything)

    Unless they have decided that there is absolutely no future for whatever reason and those are the ones you wish to intercept and hold carefully until the situation has passed which might be months or years.

    The methodology of suicide by this person indicates the "System" appears to be working. Bad guy makes a bad shoot, arrested, guns taken from him until Court decides his future. Bad guy has no guns. Where do we go to get a gun? Out of State. Preferably to what would be considered wide open so he can rent a thousand guns and no one would bat a eye. (I rented 40 once. Ammunition for them too. Reduced the pile down to about 3 guns that I can hit stuff that I aim at with.)
     
  5. 25(2)+2

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    2 I was quite familiar with hung themselves, 1 had a cancer diagnosis after watching his father die of it, and the other was working too hard at making a living, driving everyone, including himself, too hard.

    Suicide is a way out for someone too desperate to think it through, the anguish it leaves for loved ones should deter most from one thinking more clearly.
     
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  6. x1Heavy

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    I had a beloved doctor commit suicide. Reduced to it's most basic situation, here is a decorated combat battalion Surgeon from wars dating to Desert Storm if not also before. In civilian life he built a practice in white county that earned a good reputation as taking care of those who got better after being pretty sick. And so he was a very valued doctor. I came along into Arkansas late in this Doctor's life and was sick with sinus infection one saturday afternoon. He examined the situation first hand and prescribed the correct medicines to resolve the pain and infection relatively quickly.

    WHAT I did not KNOW at that time that day, was he had about 18 hours to live. He had already been experiencing bone cancer with ever increasing pain to where he must go into hospice no longer able to take care of himself with horrendous pain levels most people cannot imagine. He was apparently married to someone very interested in his money. And how. However other than the little rock newspaper reporting that general situation he was in leading to his death by suicide stays general. There is no point in speculating otherwise. You might even get into slander territory if one was not careful.

    He went to the Baptist ER Trauma section, drew the curtain to the bay shut, pinned a very large DNR note to his chest jacket and bagged his own head. Put his .45 into the mouth and severed his brainstem about the C1 of his spine or just above. Destroying the automatic pulse and breathing centers and making life impossible. He was essentially stone dead before the weapon hit the ground or bed. And that was that.

    The information came out slowly after his life was over and the magnitude of his loss to the People in this area that he cared for makes me potentially his very last patient the day before. We DID have a converstation related to his ability or future in doctoring rather after I thought there might be a problem with him personally and asked about it.

    Oh yes problems plural Centered on the bone cancer that was eating him up and killing him oh so slowly with pain levels that are very high. At medicines doses in those days very high in MME as well. At some point the pain wins. And hospice is the end all with very special medicines. However as a experienced doctor familiar with death he must have known very well that there was no future. It reduces him to making a choice. Go to hospice and fight off a digging wife at the same time or end life at his own terms before that ability to do so and the capacity to make that decision and follow through with precision is taken from him by a system intent on preserving his life. There is no ethenusia in the USA. Or putting down of very sick people. That did not exist in those days. Still does not. If you were in a bad position to where being alive is impossible, you have to travel to switzerland or other nations where there are organizations for a fee will take care of that and everything after on your choice.

    We all miss this wonderful doctor. However we recognized that medically his situation was impossible. Ultimately the practice he built and owned by other doctors who carried on after him will be ultimately sold and disposed of as land being more valuable than the clinic building and parking lot. A dozen will be out of work at a minimum. Two dozen and several other businesses related to the medical office will also be lost. Why? Costs.

    Entire hospitals have closed in Arkansas when patients do not or cannot pay their past due bills. One in Jacksonville was valued at 9 million dollars for the entire buidling, contents and land on which it sat. The liabilites accumulated by the hospital in past due bills alone stood at 15 million.

    So the whole place was closed, patients shipped elsewhere, everyone working there fired and sold at auction pricing. Who is left holding the bag? The former corperation that is working it's way through BK court. That will take a while.
     
  7. scott180

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    With terminal illness people used to kill themselves all the time. How often have you heard of someone not eating, drinking or getting out of bed. Now we have pills and machines to keep us going whether we want to or not. I think suicide is the cowards way out with terminal illness being an exception.
     
  8. Odin's Rabid Dog

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    I won't comment on whether guns are the problem or not, but it's pretty certain that had there been no pistol present, 2 people would be alive.

    As to suicide, if you think it's easy, or the cowards way out, try it sometime.
     
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  9. clausland

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    With what was initially reported, it appeared to be a bad shoot, as I posted in another thread. Not being there though and not knowing all the facts, I reserved judgement on it.

    It now appears that after investigation he was going to be charged. Apart from being just a bit unstable, he likely faced prison time, along with being sued for everything he owned, and decided that suicide was the best way out.

    As for blaming the gun as the culprit, no, he just as easily could have stabbed him, or wacked him over the head with something.
    The problem lays with society and mental illness, not the millions of legal gun owners. God, Guts & Guns made America and we need to keep all three....
     
  10. Mike250rs

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    Thus the 5-10. Aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.
     
  11. mjd4277

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    That’s on a state level. Messing around with a CMV(especially pulling the kingpin or pulling the air lines on purpose) is a federal offense,punishable by up to 20 YEARS IMPRISONMENT under current DOJ statutes-30 YEARS if the CMV was hauling radioactive material/nuclear fuel(it’s more or less the same as sabotaging an aircraft).There is NO TIME off for good behavior in the federal judicial system(if convicted current statutes require that you serve 85 to 100% of the sentence). That’s probably why the guard suicided himself-he F’d up big time and he knew it!!
     
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