They must ban "cpm" and "piecerate" pay

nobody is going to give workers anything

workers get what they take, period

capitalism is about brute force and that's why America has done it better than anyone else

(these are merely my opinions)

 

No. Socialism is about brute force. Capitalism is about voluntary cooperation.

 

Personally, I get paid cpm. It works very well for me.

 

I guess that depends on what you mean by socialism. When Walmart puts Main Street out of business, is that not brute force?

And it seems to me that in the US in 2020 when we refer to socialism we are actually referring to communism. What is the Fed pumping trillions of dollars into the financial system if not socialism? What are banker bailouts? From the perspective of the common person, the US seems to have the worst aspects of a social safety net with almost none of the better aspects. We will let people die in the streets here but we have no problem bailing out already rich bankers.

 

Only if you own the job, which you don't.

Same thing. The only difference is how you get there, but both seek the same ends.

The technical term for that is mercantilism (i.e. the use of force with the intent of producing particular winners in the ,markeplace).

 

All government is about force, regardless of the economic system that government endorses.

No, communism and socialism are not the same thing. Communism makes few concessions to a market economy and are against popular electoral rule and/or dissenting speech.

Socialism believes in universal suffrage, worker rights, and fair market economies.

No, mercantilism is the China-US tarriff war with both sides using government resources to protect industries, most notably farmers here in the US.

Government bailing out banks, auto makers, etc is redistributing wealth. I hesitate to call it socialism as the wealth generally seems to be moving from the middle class to the wealthy which is the opposite of the aim of socialism.

 

True, but capitalism is not a political system. It has nothing to do with what kind of government you have.

Sorry, but that is just nonsense.
The Soviet Union was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
East Germany, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, and all the rest always claimed to be socialist. (Some of them still do). Communism is just another word for it which they also sometimes use. Academics will sometimes draw a distinction based on how a particular party is attempting to achieve socialism, or which philosophical rational they use to justify it, but the end goal is always a planned economy (i.e. universal slavery).

And what on Earth led you to believe socialists favor a market economy? Nothing could be further from the truth.

Why do you say "no"? That is an absolutely perfect example of the definition I gave you.

I tend to see socialism as a close kin to mercantilism. The main difference being the pet class being favored.

 

So is socialism an economic system or a political system?

1) The USSR may have called themselves socialists, but they were closer to a rebrand of the Tzarist Empire than actual socialists. Real socialism went out with the October Revolution. Just because I call myself the King of Spain doesn't change the fact that I vacuum the turf at the Skydome.

2) Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, etc are all umbrella terms that incorporate a host of smaller themes and ideologies.

3) a "planned economy" does not mean universal slavery. In socialism a planned economy means making use/value decisions. In capitalism it means the acquisition of wealth.

Reading Marx, Fourier, Whitstanly.

Also note I said FAIR market economy, not FREE market economy.

In a truly FREE market economy that schmuck with 17,000 cases of hand sanitizer would not be restricted/penalized by the government. Amazon and Ebay didn't reign in the opportunists out of the goodness of their hearts. They recognized if they allow 3rd party sellers to use their sites as profiteers they would be liable under PCAPR.

A Fair Market Economy structures rules to enhance general welfare AND competition. Adam Smith recognized that capitalism would endanger the vast majority of the population and that those in power would need to enact etiquette /regulations to curb the excesses of capitalism. A century later the socialists took that idea a step further after watching unregulated capitalism enslave the working class as effectively as serfdom did.

Mercantilism is a government making policies to increase exports. It is a zero sum game - in order for me to win, you must lose. That is not how economics works.

If I go to buy a car and the salesman fleeces me, he wins I lose. When I lose, I have less money to spend on other things, which makes others in the community earn less, which makes them less likely to buy a new car. Thus by winning, the car salesman actually losses.

The farmer "bailout" isn't helping an industry or area thru an uncontrollable hardship. It is making amends for closing their market in an attempt to open markets for other exports. That is mercantilism.

The bank/auto maker bailouts was the government covering for bad behavior/decision making. It was welfare for the wealthy under the guise of avoiding economic catastrophe for the working class. There are some "capitalists" here who would argue that the bailouts were "socialistic". I would argue that they were aimed at maintaining the status quo.

 

It is a forcibly planned economy. So it is necessarily both political and economic.

That's an evasion. No party has ever achieved the socialist ideal. If they had, socialism could not be said to have always failed. The fact remains that socialist and communists both seek a planned economy. They may seek it through different means, but their objectives are the same.

Those who make those use/value decisions are the masters. Everyone else are the slaves.

Every economic system pursues the acquisition of wealth. Capitalism means voluntary cooperation.

Marx only studied economics as a means to rationalize his socialist ideals. He was never a competent economist.

Fourier was a complete fruitcake. Fourier? Seriously? Are the oceans going to turn into lemonade? Are we going to be able to ride lions? I was taking you seriously up until this point. Charles Fourier? LOL

Did you mean Gerrard Winstanley? The "Digger"? The silly 17th century hippy squatter?

 

I don't think there is a law requiring CPM for truck drivers. I say this because I and other drivers work for salary, hourly pay, percentage, per load, and maybe per cargo weight.