CRETE - A Year in Review

WEEK THIRTY THREE
Monday, August 17th through Sunday, August 23rd

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This week started out with me waiting for my 10hr break to come to a close. I had managed to pull in by the skin of my teeth with regards to available hours last night and made my delivery in the middle of the night.

I may have been able to get unloaded last night, but the delay that I uncured due to a blown tire along the way wasn’t done causing me problems. If I had made the trip uneventfully I would have pulled in at a reasonable hour last night and would have been ready to go by 7am or so today. Instead, my 10hr break didn’t start until after midnight and I would now have to sit until 10:30 this morning before getting started on my next load.

I knew it was going to be a problem when I woke up at 6am and sent a message into dispatch to remind them that I was empty and ready for a load offer, however, I would not be able to pull out until 10:30. If there is plenty of freight in the area they would simply look for a load that fit my parameters and send out a load. If freight was tight they would tell me to check back later. I was told to check back when my break was complete, bad news.

This is not a good sign and I wasn’t looking forward to getting another bad start to this week, the last one was bad enough. My worries were compounded by the fact that I was scheduled to attend a Safety meeting down in Wilmer on Thursday. If I got a couple of good loads that landed me down there by Thursday morning I could still make a respectable week out of it, but if I were to get held up here waiting for a load the prospects for an acceptable weekly mileage total would be hopeless at best. I had hoped to get a load assignment early in the day while there were still loads being handed out. Instead I was put in the back of the line and all the good loads were being handed out to drivers in the area that were ready to go, even though they were putting in their empty calls hours after me. That’s the way it goes sometimes. There wasn’t anything I could do about, so I just crawled back into my bunk and waited for my turn.

My time came around soon enough and I put in another request for a load. I hoped for the best but held out little hope that I would be content with whatever came my way. That Safety class was going to cause me problems. It was too far in the future to count on good mile between now and then because dispatch would be concerned about me getting too far away and not being able to get me a load back in time. Instead of taking any chance with that, they would most likely get me going that direction today. It would be better from their point of view to have me sitting around in the Wilmer terminal for a day or more than if I were to miss the class.

So, that is what I was expecting and that is exactly what happened. After waiting for some time after getting a “Working on it” message I was sent a 2 stop load that picked up today after noon with a final delivery down in Weatherford, TX on Wednesday morning with a stop in Abilene along the way. That will make for an abysmal 680 miles over the next few days and I will undoubtedly be sent on over to Wilmer after delivering my load early Wednesday morning to spend the remainder of the day twiddling my thumbs.

I had really hopped that I would get something more substantial so I could put some miles in before attending my safety meeting and was thinking about getting annoyed over the whole thing, but after taking a good look at the log book there really wasn’t much more dispatch could have done for me. As a matter of fact, because I had run so hard over the last part of the previous week and because I have not been able fit in a reset because of the timing of my loads over the last couple of weeks I was looking at gaining no more than 5½hrs per day over the next 3 days.

I would be picking my load up at an insulation plant in the middle of Kansas that I had been to a number of times in the past. The pickup time was set for anytime after noon and it was suppose to be a preloaded trailer. In the past I have arrived at this shipper ahead of schedule and if the load wasn’t ready, they were always very good about letting my drop my empty trailer in a door and they would start loading it right away. That would turn it into a live load instead of a drop and hook, but usually resulted in a timelier departure to get me going on down the road. Today I wasn’t going to worry about an early arrival though because my log book made it pointless to do so. I had just enough hours to get my load and make it half way to my first delivery in Abilene. There was no reason to get in any hurry and I decided today would be a good day to hunt down a Waffle house and have one of those All American Breakfast. Not exactly what I would call a healthy meal, but it sure hit the spot.

I pulled into the shipper at the appointed hour of noon and couldn’t help but notice the other 4 bobtails sitting off to the side. Not good! A quick trip into the shipper’s office landed me in line with the other drivers after dropping my trailer in the back lot. They were behind schedule and would let me know when my load was ready. It’s a good thing I didn’t show up early, eh.

I had been told it “should be an hour or so” but it turned into four hours before I got my walking papers. What did I care, the first drop of this load was only 500 miles away and didn’t deliver until Wednesday morning and it was still Monday. I was certainly in no hurry. I didn’t even flinch and eye when I saw that there was no mud flap on the right side of the trailer; another thoughtful driver. I just sent off a message to breakdown to cover my backside and let them know that I would stop off at the nearest truckstop and put a new one on myself. I got a surprise message back on that one thanking me for the extra effort and was told that I would be paid $20 for taking the time to do it myself. Well, isn’t that a nice little gesture. It was appreciated, but I didn’t think for a minute that I would actually see the $20, (I didn’t). I suppose I could have made a phone call or two, but I changed out the flap without any expectations and wasn’t going to miss it.

My next thought was “what to do with the rest of my day”? I only had five hours to work with today to start with and spent the better part of the afternoon waiting for my trailer. I could either spend the night in some rundown truck stop along the way or stop off at Bricktown in OK City and catch a movie or perhaps a minor league baseball game if they happened to be playing a home game tonight. What ever I ended up doing, I would be able to get out of the truck for awhile and stretch the legs.

OK City was less than 200 miles away and within 3hrs I was finished for the day. I found a parking spot at JRS (the old Pilot) and walked into town. I was really looking forward to a baseball game tonight but that thought was dashed when I made it to the main gate and saw their schedule that they had posted. Just my luck, this was the only night out of 8 dates that they were not playing a home game. Oh well, a movie will work too.

Tuesday was going to be another stinker with a total of about 300 miles to look forward too. At least I didn’t have to worry about getting an early start. I took my time getting the day started and wasted as much time as possible to stretch the day out in an attempt to make it feel like I was accomplishing something. Even with that I found myself in the Lowes parking lot in Abilene by 3pm. Looks like more thumb twiddling is in order.

Wednesday finally arrived and took a peek outside to see that another truck had jumped the line in front of me by backing into the only available dock. I had contemplated doing just that the night before, but I had a sealed trailer and would have to pull out again in the morning to open the trailer doors. I simply assumed that if any other trucks showed up during the night that they would wait their turn. Gr!

If I were under a tighter schedule I would have put up a stink over it and made him move, but today I just didn’t really care and let him go about his business. I didn’t even point out to him what an idiot he was being when he spent 15mins sweeping out his trailer while still at the dock when they were finished unloading him. As Bugs would say, “What a Ma Roon”.

Soon enough I was docked, unloaded and once again on my way. One more stop 120 miles down the road followed by an empty call. I offered to pick up a load in the area and Tcal it in Wilmer or do some shag work to keep me busy for the rest of the day, but instead I was simply told to head on over to the Wilmer terminal which was what I had expected to hear. I was there shortly after noon, twiddling thumbs and all. I dutifully dropped my empty trailer as instructed (against my better judgment), and headed inside to get out of the stifling humidity. At which time I called my FM to put in for home time. The last couple of weeks have pretty much been a bust and I’m ready to get back to the house. It may take a while to get there, but at least I can get them thinking about it and it will also be helpful in getting loads that DON’T go in the direction of New England once I’m ready to roll again.

All was not lost though. My APU was due for a service and I needed to have the shop check out my AC. It had frozen up on me in Phoenix while I was battling the 118° weather (that was a pleasant experience). It had been working fine since then, but had to assume it needed another injection of Freon or whatever it is they pump into those things these days. I had also notice that a bolt had decided to take up residence in one of my drive tires during my pre-trip this morning.

I also had the good fortune to arrive early enough today to attend the safety meeting portion of my Defensive Driving Class. I didn’t know it when I arrived here today, but they were having two days of classes and I would be able to sit in on today’s safety meeting which was being held at 2pm. That way I would only have to attend the morning portion of the class tomorrow and be ready to go shortly after noon. Sweet! I even got some free snacks out of the deal.

The rest of the day was basically comprised of mind numbing boredom broken up by, well nothing, it was boring. I was able to snag one of our bunk rooms. That is one nice thing about the Wilmer terminal. They have private bunkrooms available (for now anyways). They are nothing grand, but they offer a bed, table and Privacy. I pulled my TV out of the truck and a set of headphones. Good to go.

Thursday was an absolute hoot. How I love these little get together. At least Bones makes them somewhat entertaining and bearable. Plus you can always count on a good meal at a nearby restaurant when they haul us all off to fill our gullets. It was over soon enough and as the rest of the class files off to take the last portion of the class (the part I did yesterday), I headed out to the truck and let dispatch know I was ready to go. I also had to inform them that there were no empty trailers in the yard. I would have to bobtail out or repower a load that was sitting in the yard.

At this point I was once again sitting on a grand total of about 700 miles for the week and half of Thursday was gone. I didn’t know what kind of luck I was going to have without a trailer, but was grateful that I was getting out of here before the other 15 drivers that were in my class who would also be looking for empty trailers (except for the drivers that had refused to drop their empty trailers when they arrived, like I should have done).

In came the load offer and my eyes narrowed in on the miles for the trip. At first glance it looked like a great run of 1600+ miles going to NY. I’m not exactly crazy about the north east, but I’ve been living on borrowed time of late. I’ve been out for almost two weeks and have only slightly grazed the Eastern Time zone and am due. I suppose I could have requested a different load since I had home time in, but it was still far enough in the future that I had time to get out there and back without too much of a delay.

The real problem with this load was that it didn’t deliver until Monday morning. That would end my week with around 2300mi. That wouldn’t have been the end of the world considering my limited hours at the beginning of the week and time lost for the safety meetings, but I wasn’t exactly thrilled by it either. But then, I hadn’t exactly resigned myself to such a disappointing week just yet. I knew that I had a choice of routes to get me where I was going and that on each of these routes I would be passing by a couple of our terminals. TCAL was on my mind all the way baby. Not only because I didn’t want to sit around and waist another day waiting to deliver this load, but because this #### load was going into the City. Just north of the GW Bridge with directions to the shipper that had me feeling less than confident about how the day would go. The directions were somewhat lengthy and made it a point to inform me that the customer had no dock (you’re kidding, right), to park on the left side of the building (golly gee, that’s helpful, how about a reference point that relates to a compass so I don’t have to decipher who’s left they are talking about) and ended with an ominous “if you get there early enough try backing into the street, if not, good luck getting out when empty”.

I don’t want this load!

Anyway, the way I saw it, I could burn off what was left of my hours for the day and get in as many miles as possible. I would then be able to put in a solid 500+ mile day tomorrow and find myself in Knoxville with a couple of hours available and that is what I did.

I pulled into Knoxville by 5pm with a couple of hours left in my day. What I found wasn’t entirely encouraging. For one thing, the trailer lot was packed and there were two trucks wiggling around trying to find a place to park. I decided to go around the corner to our tractor yard in the hopes of finding a spot there only to find it packed with new and trade in tractors with absolutely no way to get it, not only to park, but to get turned around. That left me stranded out in the street with no idea of how to get myself pointed around in the other direction. I eventually managed to get back to point A and parked on the side of the road and walked over to the trailer yard to see if there were any empties available. As usual, no empties would mean no Tcall, or at least a greatly diminished chance of a positive result.

It didn’t take me too long to get an answer to the empty trailer question. All I had to do was ask the other two drivers if they found one. Nope. Definitely not what I wanted to hear, but my day was over for the most part and I had time to kill. I decided I would drop my loaded trailer in the lot for the night and hang around and wait to see if someone would bring one in. After all, it was a Friday night and there had to be a number of drivers headed into town for home time. I’ve gotten lucky in the past doing just this. It can make for a long boring night, but I’ll ask every driver that pulls in if they are dropping an empty trailer. There was also the hope of repowering a load from this yard. I wasn’t ready to give up just yet.

After spending a good 20mins wiggling my trailer into the last remaining spot on the yard a Tcal request and a couple of great excuses to get out of this load was sent off to dispatch. Here it is Friday and I’m under a load that doesn’t deliver until Monday. I also have hometime in and will not be able to get back by my requested date if I deliver this load (main reason for putting in for hometime last week). I have also requested a Tcal with enough miles left on the trip to make it worthwhile for the next driver. I have found in the past that if I get too close to the final destination they are less likely to approve a Tcal because not only do they have to find a driver that will shag the short load, they then have to pay that driver an additional $35 to deliver it. In other words, Tcal the load as far away from the final destination as possible to increase your chances of success. I also threw in the obligatory, “I can shag a load tonight or in the morning if you need help, or repower a load sitting in the yard”

I had done everything in my power to facilitate a Tcal and it did the trick. Oddly enough, I was put on a load that another driver had dropped only moments before (the one that forced me to park in the street while he was dropping his trailer). As a matter of fact, I had just had a lengthy conversation with this driver and he was telling me how he was trying to get home and had tcalled his IL load here in order to repower a MO load from the yard to get him where he needed to be by tomorrow.

Dispatch had told me they had nothing going to Phoenix and only had one load in the yard that wasn’t going east. I was told they had one load going to IL, “would that work?” they ask. You better believe it will. It wasn’t exactly going due west, but it wasn’t going to NYC either. It was also a nice 568mi run with an anytime delivery on Sunday. In my mind that also means anytime Saturday. Hell, I may just save this week after all.

By the time everything was worked out the day was mostly shot and I decided to put in for the night. I hooked up to my newly assigned trailer not going to NYC (I’m so happy) and went over to the Pilot to make a little more room in our yard. I was amazed at how much parking was available. This place is usually packed 24hrs a day, but tonight I found it to be less than 50% occupied. Bad freight, good parking. This was also the opening weekend for Inglorious ######## (oh grow up, it’s not a curse word) and I walked over to the nearby theater (the real reason I didn’t drive out the rest of my hours today) to catch a show.

Saturday was a full day of driving and I pulled into the receivers a day early. Initially I was a little concerned because I only saw two of our trailers sitting in their back lot and the guard on duty seemed a bit confused to see me pull up on a Saturday. She told me that these loads usually show up on Sunday, but no matter, go ahead and drop it out back. That part was fine, what I was worried about was the availability of an empty trailer. Even though I was allowed to drop my trailer, there was no guarantee that an empty trailer would be waiting for me. I could very well find myself returning the following morning as scheduled to pick up a trailer. It all depended on the unloading schedule of the trailers currently sitting on the lot. I checked the first trailer to find it sealed and loaded and I dreaded what I would find when I walked across the lot to check the other one. To my great surprise it was empty and I was in business.

Moments later I was headed on down the road in the search of a place to park and found an old abandoned Wal-Mart lot next to a new Super Center and checked out my next load offer. I didn’t like what I saw. Another one of those #### 23:00- 24:00 pickups down in St Louis tonight. The pickup time was bad enough, but the real problem was my log book. It was already 2:30pm and it was a good 90min drive to the shipper. That pickup time would not allow me enough time to put in a 10hr break and it was well after my 14hr. The one option was to fit in an 8hr extended sleeper berth. If I did that I would still be about 30mins late, but I also knew that this would be a preloaded trailer.

Not ideal, but I would be able to do it as long as I didn’t get held up at Budweiser picking up my load. I had a small window to get in and out with enough time to find a place to park before the remainder of my split 14 clock came to a close. I could then put in a 2hr nap and drive out the rest of the night arriving just as the consignee opened for the day’s business. I confirmed the slightly late pickup with dispatch which was approved and I settled in for the rest of the day. I was actually able to get in a nice nap and woke up a couple of hours before my pickup to call Bud and find out if my trailer was ready using their automated “ready line”. I was disappointed to find out it wasn’t and was now in a bit of a bind. I could leave now and show up at my appointment time and hope my trailer would be ready by the time I arrived. If it were ready, no problem, I would be on my way and everything would be hunky dory. If it wasn’t ready, my 14hrs would expire in short order and I would be in a bad place. Option two would be to sit here for an entire 10hrs and get started with a fresh 14 clock in the middle of the night. This would be the best option for me, but would result in a pickup that was about 4hrs late. This would have no bearing on making my delivery ontime, but it would be considered a late pickup.

I decided to go over to the Wal-Mart to pickup some supplies and try the “ready line” again when I got back. Once again, it wasn’t ready. I took another look at the load info on the Qcom. Oh No!

At least I now know why my trailer isn’t ready. I had misread the pickup date. It wasn’t for tonight, but tomorrow night. “No Way!” This just went from a good run to a purely disastrous run. I hadn’t minded sitting around all day to pickup this run because I had put in over 500 miles for the day. I wasn’t crazy about driving all night to make my next delivery, but miles are miles, I’ll do it. I would have been more than happy with a load that didn’t pickup until the next morning. Instead, I am now coming to the realization that I was given a load that was scheduled for pickup some 32hrs after my delivery this morning. Not only have I been sitting here for almost 10hrs, I spent most of the day forcing myself to sleep so that I could drive all night. Now I’m wide awake with nothing to do and asking dispatch for a morning load. If they give me one I’ll be ready to go to bed as I’m picking up my load. If they don’t give me a load I’m looking at spending the entire next day sitting in a parking lot so that I can pickup a beer load in the middle of the night and then driving all night to make a Monday morning delivery. I will then have the good fortune of being out of hours for the day and in need of a 10hr break. That means no load out Monday and at best another all night driving stint and more likely, a wasted day sitting around waiting to pickup a Tuesday morning delivery and a completely screwed up sleep schedule. Who needs sleep apnea? I have a well balance day/night driving schedule to keep me alert!

I made an attempt to get a load out the following morning with no luck. I was simply told that was all they had available. I guess I would have to make due. Not a pleasant turn of events, but not all was lost just yet. I had one hope to cling onto. If by some twist of fate my trailer were to be loaded early I could actually spend my Sunday driving to my destination and take a 10hr break there (overnight parking was available) and be ready to go Monday morning, hopefully on a load going to Phoenix.

My plan was to drive into St Louis early in the morning and park at a nearby truckstop. I would then start calling the automated load line every 30mins or so in hopes that my trailer would be ready. As it turned out I didn’t even have to bother with the truckstop because I made a call en route and found out that the trailer was ready to go by 6am. Oh joy, joy, what luck. Everything is working out absolutely perfectly. I picked up my trailer 14hrs early and was on my way to Kansas. Instead of driving all night and arriving just as they were opening, only to spend the rest of Monday sitting around taking my 10hr break, I found myself parked in front of the Distributor’s door by 7pm. Plenty of time to take my break, delivery my load first thing in the morning and be on my way.

Just one interesting little problem with that. This is a very small distributor and the only thing that I can find that resembles a dock measures a grand total of 37 feet from the dock door to the street. This is going to be interesting.


Was this a grand week. Absolutely not, but considering the fact that I had a total of 15hrs to work with during the first 3 days of the week and had to fit in a Safety meeting along the way, not bad. I also managed to wiggle out of a NYC load (close call) and every load from that point has gotten me a little closer to home. I’m inclined to take it with a shrug of the shoulders and high hopes for next week. It’s still close to $1200 for a lack luster week.





WEEK THIRTY THREE
Monday, Aug 17th through Sunday, Aug 23rd
Miles include deadhead

McPherson, KS to Weatherford, TX…………………………………………..683mi
Wilmer, TX to Knoxville, TN………………………………………………........924mi
Knoxville, TN to Jacksonville, IL…………………………………………….....568mi
St Louis, MO to El Dorado, KS……………………………………………….....515mi

Total Paid Miles…………………………………...2690 Miles
Actual Miles……………………2694 Miles

2694 Miles x .43 = $1158.42 + Drop Pay $30 = $1188.42

 

Hey, there's nothing wrong with that. Haven't been doing much better myself. Like you said, in this economy that's not bad, especially since the national tonnage numbers continue to drop. Crete is holding up quite well.

That sir, is the key! Keep it up.

I'd be content with a box of that cereal. I'm sure you are tired of it by now. I got stuck with three cases of instant soup some time ago. I sure got tired of instant soup.

I'm jealous, those seat are soooo comfy.

 

Nope, I was on the other side of Iowa. Keep lookin' though

 

That's more like the SS we've all come to know and love. Hang in there.

Here's my understanding of the Sleep Apnea policy at Crete. I went through one of those Safety meetings and apparently I was in the first one that they brought this subject up in.

AGAIN, I want to stress, this is my general understanding of what was presented to me and I by no means claim to have any actual knowledge of anyone's personal intentions within Crete's organization.

First, yes Crete is going to begin implementing a Sleep Apnea screening process. But not for the reasons that the rumor mills are slinging all around the terminals. They are actually doing it for the good of the drivers.

Now that the activist groups have a good hold on the log book regulations and are making progress with regards to the OBR they now need a new reason to make our jobs that much more difficult. Their new cause is driver health and they are going to shove it down our throats. Like it or not, all drivers are going to be subjected to this in the future and Crete has simply decided to be in the forefront (like they have done with complaint logs).

What has started to happen is that some of Crete's drivers, and all other companies for that matter, are going to their doctors for their DOT physicals and some of these doctors (not Crete, but independent medical professionals) have begun to self screen for sleep apnea. In some of these cases the doctors are refusing to renew DOT physicals for high risk drivers until they complete a sleep study. From this point the driver is no longer allowed to drive until he/she has been cleared.

This driver must now make an appointment at a hospital and wait as much as two weeks to get in. The study can then take a couple of nights and once it is completed the driver then has to wait as much as a week or more to get the results. In some instances our drivers have then been told by their doctor that they can't drive for up to 4 weeks so that the doctor can assess their situation to make sure they are able to start driving.

This results in the driver being out of work for up to 6 weeks and Crete losing a good driver for the same period. The driver is also responsible for the cost of the study which can run into thousands of dollars and the cost of a CPAP which is another substantial cost.

Let's face it, truck drivers as a whole are not what you can call a healthy bunch and this is going to be a massive industry wide problem in a short period of time. From what I heard at the Safety meeting, Crete is trying to step in and avoid these ridiculous delays.

Since Wilmer has a number of bunk rooms at their disposal, they will begin the test program at that terminal. While I was in Wilmer they had a number of company big wigs there conducting meetings about it and technicians there that were surveying the rooms to determine the necessary equipment to be brought in.

Once everything is set up the Wilmer personnel will be the first to deal with the new program. I don't know if they are going to concentrate on only new hires, or perhaps current drivers as their DOT physicals come due. I'm sure we will hear details on that as they develop.

How is this good for us, the Crete drivers. Well, instead of a driver being sidelined for as much as 6weeks without a pay check or Crete losing that driver as he/she goes to work somewhere else to avoid the inevitable, Crete is setting up Sleep Apnea rooms in Wilmer.

Who will be tested? From what I was told each driver (new, current, I don't know about that) will first be given a questionnaire. Each driver will also be judged on, (don't quote me on the exact number) 7 different guidelines (trigger points) that have been established by the medical community. The ones that I can remember are BMI (body mass index), neck size, weight, diabetes, Hypertension and a couple of others.

If you fall within a given criteria you will be tested. Here is were the proactive part kicks in. Instead of Crete throwing you out the door and letting you fend for yourself like most other companies will be doing, Crete is investing a large amount of money into this. These drivers will go through the sleep apnea testing and the results will be available immediately. Crete will also have CPAP/APAP machines available at a substantially reduced price (or you can go out and buy your own) and whatever changes are necessary to your tractor to power a CPAP unit will be made at the shop.

The goal is to complete this entire process in 16 hours instead of 6 weeks and have the driver back in the truck and productive at an extremely reduced cost to the driver, all of which is covered by insurance based on each individuals coverage.


I for one am amazed that a company would take such steps to help a driver without being ordered to do so by some court or law and am stunned by the negativity that I am experience from the misinformed drivers in the terminal lounges that have no concept of how much this is going to benefit them. I do my part now to dispel these rumors to the best of my ability. They are not trying to get rid of you, they are doing everything in their power to keep you in a drivers seat. That is the only way a trucking company makes money.

 

If I didn't have and APU I would be jumping up and down on my FM's chest demanding a new International until he gave in. But because I do have an APU and have grown quite fond of it, I will contently drive out the remainder of my Blue trucks two years of useful life, unless I go back to training, at which point it will be given to the first trainee that I set loose into this grand world of truck driving because it has 375,000 miles on it.

 

Do you suppose they will be hit up for abandonment.

 

I'm not crazy about being away from home so much either, but it's what I have to do at the moment. The Phoenix job market is atrocious and local work is not a possibility at this moment. There are other avenues I can take to make a living that I have done in the past but I positively hated them and won't go back to it unless I can no longer drive.

The main reason I have been working so much of late was to finance another home. I can't count on my 401k, so I'm doing it with real estate. It will be my retirement. I have now accomplished that goal and will be working at spending more time at home. I even spent 3 weeks there last month and just came back on the road after spending another 5+ days at the house.

I am caught in a profession that I absolutely love with a home time situation that I hate. It's just something I have to deal with. I've done it for years. If the economy hadn't hit the skids I would now be on the Western Fleet and spending every weekend at home. That is my goal at the moment, but I will have to wait for the economy to make that possible.


My sleep schedule has never been a problem for me. I spent so many years running refer and delivering to grocery stores that i just got used to it. I'm also one of those people that only sleep 5-6hrs a night and find no problem getting enough sleep with Crete because they enforce the logs. I get far more rest than I need or want.