I was in the companies safety meeting this morning. The safety guy tells us that next year summer of 2010 DOT will be implementing their new way to do company inspections. Heres how it goes, if a company hires and retains drivers that have bad MVR's, out of service failures, logbbok voilations and anything else that DOT considers unsafe drivers. they will be looked at a lot harder.Then this is the best part it follows the driver much the same way that you can pull up a companies safe stat companies will be able to pull up any drivers so-called safe-stat. If companies continue to hire these "bad" drivers they will be looked at a lot harder by DOT Inspectors. Also if a company is being looked at by DOT inspectors they can request that any driver be present and go over everything that driver has done (i havent been told how long back they can go). If the driver has not been on his up and up it can be held responsible. I will get back on any new info as it comes.
DOT To Change system!!!!!
Discussion in 'Motor Carrier Questions - The Inside Scoop' started by bamanation, Sep 12, 2009.
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This is the first I've heard of this. Could it be your company is getting ready to cut some less than optimal drivers, and using this as an excuse?
Actually, my first thought on this was, "it's not a bad idea. Let's get the dangerous drivers off the road." But then I had a second thought...
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No its also in our in our company news letter they put out about a month ago. Threre not scared to let you go if your not a safe driver. I will post more about this as info comes avilable. I have some info in my truck at the yard. Forgot to bring it home.
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After some searching I found what I was looking for http://csa2010.fmcsa.dot.gov/ Pay attention to the FAQ part. This will help in getting unsafe drivers off the road. I also see that it could help in the future to get safe drivers more pay.
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Yep we have been discussing this new system in our last 2 safety meetings. How it works out will remain to be seen. It basically is the same things they always looked at before but they will track them differently as now it will start to follow the driver if you leave one company for another. In my opinion this is just another step towards pushing for e-logs and such industry wide.
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From what I understand there are about eight things DOT looks at to determine what company it audits on a case by case basis. Well this morning it was said that they are going to use about a hundred different things to determine what companies they look at. In short looks like the days of going to a small company to land a job after your MVR is bad are over. These will be the companies they go after. As far a e-logs go, well all I can say is dont go over your hours and it want matter. As for me if its Friday well after eleven hours of driving I will still be home and off for the weekend hours or not.
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Thats it exactly bama. It goes hand-in-hand with there targeting small companies that don't enforce safe driving and legal logs. Who turn a blind eye as long as the driver gets the load there so they can make a big profit. To hell with safety and peoples lives. If something happens then we will just hire another driver with a bad MVR who doesn't mind running out side the law. I for one say it's about time they started shutting down these out law trucking operations and side lining these bad drivers. The only way to clean up the image of trucking is to get ride of the trash. Big companies have there problems. But they do enforce safety rules and legal logging. They love a driver with a good MVR who can run legal and still get the job done.
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Just because it's legal doesn't make it safe.. I do agree that there need to be HOS regulations to force people (who obviously don't know any better) to pull over and get some rest, but i don't agree with them in their current form.
They should be developed by drivers, who have actually done the job. Not by a deskjockey who has no clue what goes on in the real world. I also believe that people who have made mistakes in the past, as long as they aren't excessive should deserve a second chance, it's wrong to deny them their livelihood if they have made mistakes that weren't severe. Anyone, no matter how good of a driver they are is capable of violating HOS rules, even when being safe, who's to say that some of these "bad drivers" aren't merely people who accidentally drew a line in the wrong spot and got a violation for it? The ruining of mom and pop stores, and trucking companies has been hurting this country for a long time, and this is just another way to eliminate them and let the big corporations take over, and they only want that because it makes things easier for them to control. They don't want indipendant people running around to threaten their position on anything, personally my opinion is that this all revolves around money, and power behind the guise of safety, but that's just me, and that's an issue for another time.
Also, larger companies only enforce the HOS because they can afford to do it, when i started at TMC they would blatantly tell us to run hot, they honestly cared less, and the safety departments policies on HOS changed based on what load you had on your trailer at the time, ie if it was john deere they were going to leave you alone, and let you run regardless, these larger companies are also speaking out against the smaller ones because they screwed themselves by giving the DOT more to catch them with (quallcomm, etc) and are now regretting it, Mr Annett was constantly complaining about how unfair it was that the DOT spanked us and we had to run legal, but the smaller companies don't.
A smaller outfit can't afford their trucks to sit for 12 hours when the load is expected there the next day, they also can't afford a Quallcomm system that charges, what, 3 cents for every letter sent? This goes for single O/O's as well.. Which is why i think "cracking down" does nothing but make life harder on those of us who are trying to do things safely and legally but are forced into a catch 22 where you can run safe, legal, and take your break after waiting around 12 hours to get loaded and not pay your electric bill at home, or your truck payment, but then you are essentially screwing yourself. I can't beleive that more drivers don't have a problem with this "big brother" scenario. Our rights have been constantly violated under the guise of safety for as long as i can remember, the constitution doesn't leave any grey area's, and nowhere does it say "Unless your in a CMV".
And let's not forget how much money will be collected by various governments by constantly thinking of new and creative ways to screw the driver. By getting rid of drivers that may show to be "bad" on paper, you may well be getting rid of very good, experienced, safe drivers, without actually realizing it. And guess what? They're going to be replaced by someone right out of driving school, and he will make mistakes too if not worse. There is no true way to judge if a driver is good, or bad. Driving tests even don't work.. Your habbits will change once you get back out on the road, if you really want to drive like an ### you are going to. What exactly are you going to gauge the driver by? HOS violations, there was a study recently that showed that there were still tons of drivers who weren't quite sure how the HOS rules were supposed to work, and things can change daily without notice, i think it's unfair to judge someones driving ability or safety based on this type of system. You shouldn't judge people that you don't know and neither should the government.Last edited: Sep 13, 2009
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Eckz. Man I agree with you on most of what you said. I use to be one of those outlaw drivers could care less. I worked for a company that would get a load out of N.Y only to want it in B-Ham AL the next morning by 8am. I know what it is to be REALLY TIRED, so tired that I would be cussing drivers who were sleeping on the on ramps and dispatchers who I just knew who were home sleeping. I also didnt realize at a young age of 25 and being a rookie that those HOS were not there for the Companies it is there for the drivers. These new reg's their coming out with may help get the attention of new drivers. So that maybe they want have to go through the same garbage we had to to find a half way good company to work for. Just my .02 worth.
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