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  1. Ken

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    There's a little red triangle in the upper right hand corner of each post.. Have a blast..
     
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  3. Eskimo6804

    Eskimo6804 Heavy Load Member

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    Well Tankergirl, Al gives an opinion that differs from your own in regards to a third party, and the best you can bring to the debate is to point out Al's possible shortcomings? The way Al runs his life, his truck, and his finances are not relevant in this discussion. Not to mention you were on the verge of divulging personal information about him and his situation via innuendo, not cool at all.

    I have a decent level of respect for Rob. He handles criticism quite well and for the most part, takes it for what it is worth. The only people in this thread that are getting their panties in a bunch about the criticism are the Purple Hippo groupies, and the wannabes. This thread has almost become a microcosm of our current society in general. A society where we teach our kids to not keep score at their youth baseball and football games, because some child might be scarred having known they lost. A society where the people are force fed this political correctness crap, god forbid we actually offend someone.

    I can respect Rob's work effort, and desire, but those traits without knowledge and experience are worthless. If work ethic and desire were indicators of success, the hamster would be at the top of the food chain in our world.

    With that being said, I commend Rob for his ever expanding level of experience, and the knowledge that he is gaining by receiving constructive criticism both on this thread and via the telephone from his circle of true friends. Those of you whom blindly support Rob and break your arms patting him on the back aren't true friends. A true friend would break their boot off in his ### to point out his flaws and help him improve upon them.

    It is no secret that his business plan may be a bit flawed, his experience level is low but improving, his desire to win is great, his mechanical aptitude is atrocious, and his work ethic is admirable. The things that can be improved, he is working on, all the while maintaining his desire and perseverance. For those reasons, I admire you Rob, even though I still think you are an incompetent idiot.

    For you lemmings that WILL take offense to this post, go ahead and put up your silly pictures of a dead horse. And when you are done with that, you may kiss my butt.
     
  4. PharmPhail

    PharmPhail Road Train Member

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    What I really love most about this thread is how REAL it is.

    Back when I was researching, we had a couple pretty good resources on starting the business and then Bronc's personal testimony in the first part of the thread. Knowing everything that I would have liked to be able to find in one place, and planning to go through it myself, I decided early on to go ahead and make a journal of the experience, but one that kept its goals in mind and kept people updated on the business side and experiences one would have in trucking as an O/O and as a new driver. I figured at some point it would be as important to someone else as it would have been to me in the early stages. This is why my sig has a guide to some of the important things I would have been looking for in making some decisions.

    I think you have to have a certain faith in yourself and ability to try something like this. I think also there is and was a danger of coming off, or possibly actually being overconfident, even smug about the risks involved. I had hoped and had a personal stake in the thread being a confidence builder. I think people can do more than they think, and I think trying is important to growing in life.

    At the end of the day, I'm just a guy on the internet walking naked in front of a crowd, you get it all, the truth as it happens. You have to assume along with that, that I am unafraid and completely willing to take some flack. I can't say with honesty that I like it, nor am I supposed to I don't think, medicine isn't always supposed to taste good. I can only tell you that I respond best to constructive criticism such as how a particular situation could have been handled differently. Blanket statements like needing to get out, never should have done it, give up... well you're just wasting your time, don't know me very well, and I'm not sure really what would be accomplished by that anyway.

    I don't think anyone ever seriously thought this would be a cakewalk. I don't think very much of it really even applies directly to me. There are 5, 10, 20 year veterans having runs of bad luck, blowing motors, trannies, death by 1,000 cuts. Multi-truck companies going out of business every day, even public ones. So I would reject that even if it did happen to me, that it was soley because of me or inevitable, I would simply be another statistic.

    So back to the reality of the thread, it's just as much good information for someone finding this thread in early research to learn all the pitfalls of how expensive trucking is, how important it is to know how to fix some things, how important it is to address smaller problems before they are bigger ones. Equally important is to know that there are some who will give you a hard time and shake your faith, but also that trucking has a great community that can be unbelievably supportive, and if you can be truly accepted as one of them will give you a tremendous amount of support as well. We ARE good people!

    I still hope and believe, that like a good movie, that this is the darkest hour, the problem to be solved by the end, and that we get a good hollywood finish. I much preferred when it was here to encourage and excite those putting the pieces together. I hope we can learn that there will be hard and dark times but that there is always a way to survive if you are willing and determined.

    But most of all, You CANNOT do it alone. Many times it will come down to that friendly shop, that hero in the parking lot with all the tools, a ride home, some good advice, or just a sympathetic ear. It's all important, it all matters, and it mustn't be wasted by an inability to change and adapt. I don't have all the answers, but I listen to all the ideas and advice, and much of it has changed how I do things or helped make a decision on a given day.

    I really appreciate you all, if I haven't said it before, I'm doing it now.
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  5. PharmPhail

    PharmPhail Road Train Member

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    Very well said.

    Especially that bit about you being an ### :biggrin_2559:
     
  6. snowwy

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    talking about is one thing. they aren't talking about him though. they're bashing him and telling him to throw in the towel. and that's not kewl. i know rob can fend for himself. but it's just not kewl. like you say. rob is a big boy. IF and WHEN he wants to quit. should be his decision on his own free will. not becuase everyone demands him too becuase he got into something he should or shouldn't have. as if everyone is else perfect themselves.

    some people come off in a ok manner. but others are just down right ignorant. and have absolutely no respect for a man's feelings or his desires to do what HE WANTS TO DO. not what others want him to do.

    the man decided he wanted to do something different in his life. he decided to take on an adventure. just becuase that adventure hasn't worked out to his best expectations. don't mean he needs to barked at. so what if it's going on 6 months now.

    that's all i'm getting at. it's his decision. not the rest of the forum.

    we were all rookies at something at some point and time our lives. we all screw up. and we learn. in spite of what some people would like to beleive. NO ONE'S PERFECT.
     
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  7. Eskimo6804

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    You're right, I forgot to add that part... Another of your positive qualities; the ability to read between the lines.:biggrin_2559:
     
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  8. Ken

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    Sqwatch you bring up some good points.. And I think the whole purpose of this thread is getting kind of lost.. Which is to chronicle Rob's experience as a new O/O so others can learn from it.

    I see alot of people giving Rob encouragement, I see alot of people calling him an idiot, I see alot of people saying "I told you so".

    What I don't see is people giving him meaningful advice on how to improve his situation.

    I'll admit, I've bagged on Rob for doing stupid stuff and I've got into it with a few that felt it necessary to point out his obvious shortfalls. I'm pretty sure that Rob knows about his failures, after all he's the one actually living them every day. He doesn't need hear about incessantly from a bunch of us "Monday Morning Quarterbacks".

    I think criticism can be a double edged sword. If you're going to criticize, follow it up with some sage advice. Especially you old timers. You've been down the road before, share some of that knowledge with the ones starting out.
     
  9. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    i've shared all the knowledge i can think of. from what i've seen of rob's paths. but unfortunately, i'm in a different field of trucking driving. (although, somewhat same obstacles).
     
  10. SweetSouthernRide

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    I agree with you. Some people come off different from what they intend, but then the defensiveness flares up and everything gets lost in translation. I don't think anybody has the right to tell him to quit, that is his choice, but I was thinking the post from way back there said "just my opinion" at the end. I may be wrong, I don't feel like flipping back and reading it...

    I am guilty of picking at Rob... but I don't mean anything by it. I think he knows that, but if not I guess he does now. :biggrin_2554: I learned it from the ###.

    There were some good points made by a few people that didn't come to this thread and post a lot, and then there were hecklers that popped in a while back. I don't put stock in a heckler. I think the others just wanted to add to discussion and were looking for an opening, even if it wasn't the desired door to the conversation. I lose stock in the one's that turn it to poor pitiful me, but the one's that converse and share... I think it's their way of smoothing over and entering the conversation.

    The things I try to say don't always come out right. I am often misunderstood for my twisted way of thinking... but I think for myself. Thing is, no matter what anybody says, the only thing that will ever be taken from a person's words is what the individual reading them wants to take from them. Yeh, I'm not sure that came out right either...
     
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  11. PharmPhail

    PharmPhail Road Train Member

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    I see SSR suffers from the same "overthinkingit" disease I do! :biggrin_25525:
     
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