Factoring math...let's not make it convoluted.

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by TallJoe, Aug 17, 2020.

  1. Commander1

    Commander1 Light Load Member

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    When you factor you have less of it to work for you. I have been on my own for a long time, I have yet to “chase down” my money. In this day and age it’s easy to check a brokers credit. If someone has trouble getting paid then they are working with the wrong people.

    And when things go south those publicly traded companies are the first ones with their hands out. Something to think about.
     
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  3. m16ty

    m16ty Road Train Member

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    I don’t owe anybody a dime, and haven’t for several years. Back in 2002 I had a partnership go bad, I was deep in debt and almost went under. After a few years of fighting though that mess, I vowed to never get in that shape again. I don’t owe anybody anything, I want a new truck, trailer, or other piece of equipment, I save up and pay cash. I don’t factor loads, I don’t borrow money.
     
  4. TallJoe

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    Hey @mathematrucker....Can I ask you for an opinion on factoring math?
    If someone generates $200k revenue in 1 yer (52 weeks) and factors all his invoices at 2% rate, would you be more inclined to agree that it costs him $4k per year or ....is it more appropriate to say that it is 102% per average invoice ( 200 000/52 )× 102%?
    I still find that debate funny like hell.:D
    Ha ha ha...
     
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  5. Lyle H

    Lyle H Road Train Member

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    The factoring company is the one that makes 102%.
    They use the same (in this example) 5,000 52 times.
    Therefore, they make 100 dollars 52 times for a total of 5200 dollars and they still have only used 5000 dollars to make it.
    They now have 10,200 dollars in their account at the end of the year and only used 5,000 dollars to make it.
    The reason people get confused is because they are only seeing what it costs them, instead of the real cost of the money, which is what the factoring company gets.
     
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  6. TallJoe

    TallJoe Road Train Member

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    I prefer to think that I can keep 2% of my earnings in my wallet. The prerequisite, for a solo o/o is to have $17-20 K to manage accounts receivable.
     
  7. TallJoe

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    At $200 000 revenue and 80 000 - 100 000 miles, the costs might be as high as $180 000 - 199 999 where an owner operator pays himself salary of $60 000 - $70 000 and then draws another $30 000 from dividends.
    Therefore, $17 -20k should be enough to cover 30 days period of expenses - standard waiting period for an invoice to be paid.
     
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  8. Midwest Trucker

    Midwest Trucker Road Train Member

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    Are you talking to yourself Joe? You might need to get back in the truck. Your going stir crazy at home. LOL
     
  9. TallJoe

    TallJoe Road Train Member

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    Oh..I ve been in the truck since Monday.LOL
    I could not let you guys have all that good freight party without me.:D
     
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  10. DUNE-T

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    I did not read the whole thread, but here is my take on factoring.
    If you are a single truck show, sure you can be totally fine with your own money, however factoring makes things easy if you decide to grow.
    For example you lease on an o/o. Charge him 12%, pay 2% to factoring and keep the rest. Factoring allows you to grow overnight and not having to worry about cash flow.
    To run a 10 trucks show you gotta have a lot of cash reserves or get a huge loan from a bank, while with factoring you get less of a financial risk and can keep your owner operators happy paying them every week.
    Plus when you go over 150k in receivables, you will pay less than 1.5% to factoring
     
  11. Deadwood

    Deadwood Heavy Load Member

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    1) People who want to “grow overnight” aren’t typically ready for the pop quizzes life throws at them because they have more ambition than wisdom.

    2) Having $25K in savings also lets you grow without worrying about cash flow but it requires discipline in order to save the cash.That disregard of discipline in favor of shortcuts has consequences.
     
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