CSA2010 and log book form and manner violations

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Mike_MD, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    Paperless can't be done when the rules keep changing . Public Citizen and the Teamsters are trying to get them changed again . It's starting to look like who wins the HOS battle is like an eBay auction . Right now the Teamsters are the high bidder having given Obama $10,000 and several key deomcrats over $5,000 each . They only gave Hillary $700 .:biggrin_2559:
     
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  3. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    Hmmm, so are you saying you don't log it as you drive it? :biggrin_25523:

    When will drivers ever learn?:biggrin_25512:

    The points are set up so as to take the habitual offenders off the road. Drivers with clean inspections or no inspections have little to fear.

    Have you ever been cited for the form and manner violations? Many officers go for the big ticket items, false logs, no logs, 11/14, etc. If every thing else is peachy then the small stuff is ignored.

    A sure sign you haven't been trained as required:

    Doesn't your company require you to record mileage at state lines? Don't you keep a little notebook with your daily mileage?

    The items mentioned are a common tool for most drivers.

    Be safe.
     
  4. rubbergearsnextyear

    rubbergearsnextyear Heavy Load Member

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    Right on! I always write the trip number on the log, so that covered it then. I had a driver argue with me once about that. He said we were supposed to write BOL and Shipper/Consignee, even with the trip number already on there and I told him the trip number should cover that requirement alone.

    I just wanted to make sure I was right lol. I figured the company wouldn't omit a legal obligation on their logs anyways. Thanks Mike, crystal clear now!!!
     
  5. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    Not true, a driver maybe cited for speeding during a level 1, 2, or 3 inspection and never be written a ticket.

    Part 392.2 and 392.6 covers drivers logging faster than the speed limit and dispatchers scheduling runs for a delivery time that required the driver to speed.

    http://ai.volpe.dot.gov/SafeStat/CarrierOverview.asp?DOT=164297

    The carrier listed was prosecuted in 2007 for scheduling runs that required the driver to speed.

    Be safe.
     
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  6. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    From a federal perspective you are. CSA2010 is a federal program that will be used by the FMCSA. It will have nothing to do with the way roadside inspections are performed or state laws. CSA2010 has to do with the way the FMCSA uses the roadside inspection data to evaluate a carrier/driver.

    It has to do with following the rules. Cromedome admitted he doesn't fill out his logs until the end of the day. I would say at least 40% of all truckers are as guilty as Cromedome is as they neglect to complete their logs as required.

    On multiple occassions carriers have been cited for false logs when a driver wrote in 650 miles for the day when the trip actually was 720 miles. Drivers know how to fudge all too well.:biggrin_2551:

    If a carrier was doing its job and checking logs and having drivers fix them then perhaps the drivers would get better at completing their logs to avoid having to do them again; however, all too many carriers receive the logs and put them in a drawer for the DOT to see when they arrive.

    The fact your employer doesn't catch the mistakes and ask you to fix them indicates a lack of management oversight.

    Perhaps your company will invest in EOBR and end your woes. :biggrin_25523:

    Be safe.
     
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  7. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    Hmmmm, better read the fine print.... If you check it; it usually means it's broke. :biggrin_25523:

    Hope you're not checking all those boxes indicating your truck and trailer needs repairs. :biggrin_2559:

    Be safe.
     
  8. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    Suppose you better speak to your employer and ask they change the format to save on some penaties. :biggrin_2551:

    Be safe.
     
  9. Rocks

    Rocks Road Train Member

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    All these regulations P*ss me OFF :biggrin_25510: I started driving less than 2 years ago. But I feel like I miss the good old days, when there were no freaking logs, no darn HOS and all this rubbish... Next thing will be black boxes and cameras inside the trucks... :biggrin_25516:
     
  10. truckerdave1970

    truckerdave1970 On Probation

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    ####! Now I'm confused! are you saying if there are NO DEFECTS on the vehicle then on the driver vehicle inspection report I should NOT be marking ANYTHING in the little boxes at all???
     
  11. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    Logs have been around since dirt. The HOS were writen in 1938, I doubt you were around before that. :biggrin_2551:

    Be safe.
     
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