CSA2010 and log book form and manner violations

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Mike_MD, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    Oh the FMCSA OIG goes after some companies .
    http://www.oig.dot.gov/item.jsp?id=2553
    http://www.oig.dot.gov/item.jsp?id=1766
    http://www.oig.dot.gov/item.jsp?id=1754
    There are others but note the size of the carriers . A company owner will be prosecuted for a few drivers violating HOS but if a company like U.S. Xpress with thousands of drivers is found allowing drivers to violate HOS they are only fined an insignificant amount ($7,500 in a 2006 audit ) .
    Small carrier owners get prosecuted due to 1 fatality . Why was there no prosecution of Crete management when the driver provided documentation proving they forced him to commit serious HOS violations before an accident resulting in 7 fatalities ?
    The biggest reason for accidents related to HOS violations is FMCSA OIG lack of enforcement involving the most serious offenders .
     
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  3. truckerdave1970

    truckerdave1970 On Probation

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    I have come to the conclusion that it's really NOT ABOUT THE MONEY! Although the money they make certainly is siginificant, and is used to finance their Nazi, Gestapo tactics. I think the reason for all this garbage is so the lawmakers can pat themselves on the back, loudly annouce to the voters how much "safer" THEY made the roads and look how we punish the evil, bad, nasty truckers! Now go vote for me!
    Isn't this a play right out of the liberals playbook? Create or exagarrate a problem then tell everyone how you solved it with more laws and gov't involvment!!! Now you have to keep them in power or things will get worse for everyone. Or so they would have all of us believe!
     
  4. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    You're right . It's the drivers that have improved safety , many of them by refusing to let dispatch run them into the ground . If the "safety organizations " had managed to get speed limiters mandated they would be claiming credit for the lower accident rate .
     
  5. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    I think you’re missing the point. Carriers inherit drivers’ scores and retain them for three years. Not only do carriers retain the points of drivers they currently employ, they inherit the points of any driver they hire. If the carriers fire the driver the next day, they inherited the points.

    If carriers hire too many bad drivers they may move from Fit to marginal. Carriers have just as much to loose as drivers do as they can be shut down and/or be penalized by the FMCSA for failing to manage their drivers’ qualifications and HOS. Carriers are also subject to equipment safety violations.

    Carriers have always been and always will be evaluated on “Driver”, “Vehicle”, and “Accidents” Safety Evaluation Areas (SEA) Scores. Currently carriers characterized and Category “A” or “B” for two consecutive moths will receive a mandatory compliance review from the FMCSA. The carriers listed below have high driver and/or vehicleSEA Scores:

    http://ai.volpe.dot.gov/SafeStat/CarrierOverview.asp?DOT=391140

    http://ai.volpe.dot.gov/SafeStat/CarrierOverview.asp?DOT=838362

    http://ai.volpe.dot.gov/SafeStat/CarrierOverview.asp?DOT=843640

    http://ai.volpe.dot.gov/SafeStat/CarrierOverview.asp?DOT=640137

    http://ai.volpe.dot.gov/SafeStat/CarrierOverview.asp?DOT=530164

    http://ai.volpe.dot.gov/SafeStat/CarrierOverview.asp?DOT=1021793




    I’ll try and keep from insulting your intelligence. However, your statement could not be further from the truth:

    The carrier below has been penalized severely four times, I’m sure they disagree with your philosophy:

    http://ai.volpe.dot.gov/SafeStat/CarrierOverview.asp?DOT=322235

    Click on the Safety tab and closed enforcement tab for more information.

    Carriers have always been held accountable for their driver’s behavior and the condition of their equipment. What do you think all of that roadside inspection data is used for?

    http://ai.volpe.dot.gov/SafeStat/CarrierOverview.asp?DOT=1242485

    I could go on, but hopefully you get the point. Carriers have always been and always will be responsible for their drivers and vehicles.

    Be safe.
     
  6. Winchester Magnum

    Winchester Magnum Road Train Member

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    When the speaker of the house can lie to the American people and breach national security, with no concequences whatsoever and Obamma can let Khadffi into this country, with no concequences whatsoever,... but a carrier can be fined thou$and$ of dollar$ over a chickenshitt paperwork draconian infraction, you know ###### well this country has reached lows never imagined by logical people.

    After 2010 there will be a few truckers out of work, much like democrats...

    But thanks for enlightening everyone, Mike.
     
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  7. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    Mike proved my point . The largest carrier in his link had under 300 power units and the rest had well under 100 . Meanwhile we see drivers from the megacarriers still driving like maniacs passing in construction zones and in states where the speed limit for trucks is below the governed speed of their trucks . U.S. Xpress is the worst except for Canadian carriers that are constantly speeding in MI .
     
  8. stranger

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    I would like to see some equavilant fines per occurance on carriers with 5,000 trucks or more. The big boys seem to have lower fines per incident. I can link to several cases where dispatchers, and even owners, have gone to jail and paid hundreds of thousands in fines. I have never seen this at large companies with the same violations.
     
  9. Rocks

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    Sorry my ignorance.... all I know is what I heard from long time drivers saying that when they started, they could do whatever they wanted... Maybe enforcement was almost non-existent, right? I wish I had started then.... :biggrin_25519: Now there's way too much control and it looks like it's going to get worse....:biggrin_2553:
     
  10. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    As I understand it back then the DOT fuzz were solar powered in the extreme. At times only working slightly more hours per day than a banker.

    Or so I've been told.
     
  11. BigSam

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    Like the carrier and/or dispatcher leaving you stranded for days on end because they don't have any freight , running you less than 1000 miles a week, or keeping you away from home for months at a time..... Wake up Mike !!!! these things happen every day if a driver causes any type of waves.
     
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