HOS Rules

You log the exact amount of time to drop and hook?
You log the exact amount of time to pre and post trip?
You log the exact amount of time from check in, open doors, back in dock, pay lumper, check on the load and unload, get the paperwork.

Just to name a few. It would be hard to even be 100%, but if you say so.

 

You might want to peruse this....http://www.truckline.com/Federation/Councils/TMC/Documents/EOBRsTheIssuesAhead.pdf

EOBRs are to be tied in with GPS Navigation.....
As we all know a GPS Navigation unit can track and record moving and "stopped" time on a vehicle...


If EOBR's prove to be problematic...Cameras...and as much as I joke about their use in the cab and in the bunk area....will be utilized....

Public Safety and politics outweigh your need of privacy...

 

When the truck is moving, GPS will know it. When it is stopped, they have no clue what the driver is doing or where the driver is.

Even if they put a camera in the truck, if the driver sits outside in a camping chair, it will not know it.

It will not be the perfect solution to the regualating crowd.

 

You are exactly right....
But let's say a rig is stopped for 9.75 hours.....
The driver is a solo driver and didn't split his bunk time.....

The driver shows that he had 10 hours on line 2 and shows a pre-trip of a quarter hour down on line 4 before going to line 3...
He drives for an hour and gets pulled in at the coop...

The DOT plug in to the EOBR....Would they find him legal or in violation?

He shows on his paper log he took a 10 hour break...but the EOBR says otherwise...

That's what I mean...
Yeah...nothing's perfect...but then again we're talking about the majority of drivers here...
They didn't build the Space Shuttle before signing on with SWIFT or CRE....

 

My problem with EOBR's is the fact that the ECM will record everything the truck does except put the information on each line. Another problem is what if the driver pulls into the truck stop tired from a long day and pops back into the sleeper and forgets to punch a stupid button and gets stopped.

I think I'm glad I'm medicaled out of driving as that POS would be the first thing to short out due to a power surge! Just use the ECM and forget charging us stupid money fo another POS attached to the dash!

 

IMO, if you have to run a "fudged" log book now-a-days, you're working for a company that pays way too little. Years ago, it wasn't that big of a deal. However, with lawsuits due to accidents etc., (and that's the least of your worries) it is no longer worth the effort required.

I've been at it for about 35 years now and for the last 26 of those, I've run a completely legal log book. If I've been in the trailer unloading, standing on the dock counting freight as it's loaded, fueling, or whatever, it's been logged on line 4. I've made good money during this time. That's because I won't pull freight for someone at $0.20-$0.25 per mile now-a-days

Bottom line, if you have to get the big miles to get a decent paycheck, then you need to find another company to work for that pays much better!

 

I think y'all missed my intent.

Do you stop within the 1st 25 miles to check your load/ trailer, & do you log it.....you are required to by law. Line 4 for pre trip, then 3 for driving, then line 4 for 1st ITI no more than 30 minutes later.

Do you then do it 2/100 or 3/150 (hours/miles) after that?...your log book needs to show it.....I go about 10 hours before I have to pee or poo, so waiting till nature calls WILL get me a log book violation.

Sp, what I am asking, in all reality, is it common practive to fudge these...or do you all really do them?

(my post may seem #######ey, but I do not mean it that way, I really do wanna know, but am not shure how to word it)

 

Is there any (time) requirement mandated in the regs?

Now to answer your question about what I do as a safe and responsible driver...

I check my load going down the road visually.... (Mirrors to you rookies)...

When I stop for fuel or when Mother Nature calls....I check....and log it.....

Simple....
Log it and cover your rear.....
If it's in print....There is no doubt as to whether or not you did it....

 

None of the above is required by regulation but some moronic companies still require it . You check your load/tires before you start and at normal stops .

 

Should I mention I am in California. LMAO

As a newb I got a little nervous when the DOT guy came in to our school, & started talking about log book violations, & that if we were not logging our in-trips, we would be getting sited. He did specificly mention the 1st 25 miles, & to catch drivers he looks for where they started the day, compared to where they are now (usually he gets then at the chowchilla scales), & he is very happy to cite them for not having at least 15minutes logged as onduty, not driving, after the initial initial driving. He used the 30 minutes as a refference, as at freeway speed, it was easy to figure by a quick look if they haddn't logged, he would look closer, & do miledge from the city they went on duty at.