Someone Help Me

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by moginas, Jan 3, 2007.

  1. moginas

    moginas Bobtail Member

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    I appreciate the fact that none of you have "bashed" me for coming here to seek answers. I did not know where else to turn or who else might be honest with me. That is something that we need desperately at the moment.

    As I said before, things have been difficult for us in the past year, to no fault of our own. After reading your responses and taking the "pen to paper" route earlier in the week, I know that this will not allow us to reach our goals, but rather put them on hold for a number of years (more than two). Evem them we will reach them only provided that things work out in the manner that we would like to see them work out if/when he goes out on the road.

    I know in my heart, after extreme contemplation, and hard prayer (more in the last week than since I lost my brother) that this is not the answer that we are looking for, no matter how supportive I want to be, or how much he wants to do it. Now the situation I face is do I try to help him understand that by reading your responses and trying to talk to him, or do I risk being the supportive spouse and letting this happen. I am so lost. I do not want to fail him.

    In the long run, it would be financially worse for us than the other alternatives that we have, and to even get the ball rolling is weeks away.

    If anyone has any further information or assistance, please let me know. In the meantime I will continue to sweat enough bullets to keep Smith & Wesson in stock and keep everyone posted.

    To whomever responded earlier by saying that the only "thing" that they wanted to take care of was his wife, I have the utmost respect for you. You love your wife in the manner that I love my Mo -- even if he doubts it because of my hesitation in this situation. There should be more like you.

    Thanks........again.
    Gina
     
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  3. pro1driver

    pro1driver Heavy Load Member

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    you won't survive waiting for the checks (money) to come in, it'll take a long time.



    NO, the freight business has more curves than a california highway.

    YES, certainly...........even with "breakdaown pay", that doesn't amount to a hill of beans, as "breakdown pay" is like less than minimum wage....and THAT'S TAXABLE TOO.....!!

    NO.........even with days OR weeks advance notice, he can be sent on a load 3,00 miles away from home 3-4 days BEFORE his "off time", and they ain't gonna break their humps getting him home. they will just say "sorry buddy"..................



    it could be just a few hours, if there is a drop off or pick-up in the area. it could be a mere 24 hours, it could be 36 hours, it could be 48 hours. a typical "weekend" for truck drivers is any 2 days off in a row. either a monday-tuesday, or thursday-friday, got it..........??

    you won't. you will always wonder where he is, who he's with, etc,etc.

    yes, but never expect the big fistfulls of money the ads show you. afterall, that "fistfull of money" can be devalued canadian money, or all 1 dollar bills................

    again, i say, that when people have their "proverbeal" backs against the wall, they think that becoming a truck driver is easy and highly paying. its neither. just because "he always wanted to drive" means nothing but false misleading comments by the person asking in a state of desperation. being desperate is NO REASON to get into trucking. the hardships for a first timer getting into this are surmountable, from low pay, lousey benefits, away time, stress from the road, and home, money issues, and so-on and so-forth...........

    i fear this is the worst possible solution you two are getting into..........

    desperation (my interpetation of your posts) will lead you down a path of no return...........
     
  4. littlebit

    littlebit Light Load Member

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    I have to agree with what alot of the others have posted. I was a trainer for awhile and I saw to many of my trainees get into trucking because they thought they were going to make alot of money. Most of them after only a few months left the industry because they didn't make the big money that they thought they would. If you have other options you should consider them. Thats just my opinion.
     
  5. NightWind

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    Please understand that I am not bashing you. I see things in a somewhat different light as I have read and re-read your post and the responses several times.
    After giving this more thought I think perhaps that it's not you so much that needs to hear what we have to say. I think it would be prudent and productive for your significant other to ask the questions and get the answers. I say this because by you coming here instead of him, are putting yourself in an awkward position. After all he is the one that is going to be making the change in his lifestyle more so than you are. Yes, it will have a direct effect on you and your situation. However, as you stated you dealt with the separation before during his career in the military. If this is what he chooses to do then you'll either deal with it again or you won't be together. I know this sounds blunt and perhaps even cruel, but it's really not your decision. It's his and his alone. I know that it's better if a couple make these decisions together, I advocate that but sometimes it just doesn’t work that way. This is one of those times. The bottom line is he has to live with the repercussions more so than you do as his actions will be the catalyst for all things that come with changing careers.
    Henceforth he needs the answers more than you.
    I've read your post several times over and the main thing I see you asking about is the financial aspects of a career as a driver. Those are important, valid concerns, but seriously they are not the most important ones at risk here. I've not once seen you ask about or refer to the emotional or physical challenges that he will be facing.
    You stated:
    “I was a military wife for years, and did okay. However, now that we are settled and have been building a life, I am concerned that I may not take to it as well in my older years”.
    38 is not old. Unless there have been major changes in your health that would prevent you from handling the same things as you’ve handled before, then I see no reason why you cannot adjust again. It’s all a state of mind and really has nothing to do with age.
    You stated:
    “My fiance' and I have run into hard times the last year. In an effort to find something that will help us reach our goals, he has decided that truck driving may be the answer.” “Let me start by saying this is something that he has always wanted to try. I want to stand behind him and want to see him get to try everything that he has/ever could want to do -- as I have every day since he came into my life. I would, however, be lying if I said I was not seriously concerned about the financial aspects of doing this. There is a bottom line that has to be met in order for us not to lose our home and the other things that we have worked so hard to achieve and the goals that we have already set for ourselves that we have LITERALLY invested thousands of dollars in.”
    “To bottom line it, a picture of lots of money to send home to help keep the home fires put out and maintain separately on the road has been painted for us. We have a mortgage that is close to $1000 a month and vehicle payments, etc. Doing this would be an option only if it allowed us to bank money away and still make it month to month. We need to make (send home) at least $1500 a month in order to make this work.”

    This tells me that you are against the wall and have a misconceived idea that there is a lot of money to be made as a driver. Trucking will not “fix” this situation. The only thing that will resolve your financial problems is hard work, putting personal wants and needs on the back burner until you are stable.
    It’s not possible in most cases with a new driver and some experienced drivers to meet those obligations. You don’t say whether or not you work. Do you? If not, and you are determined to make ‘his dream” come true then get a job and contribute to the income. In my mind that would a way to help carry the load so that he doesn’t have to worry so much about the situation at home. You are not the only one that has been taken in by the promise of big bucks by the advertising executives for these trucking companies and driving schools. I’d say that those are false advertising and should be treated as such.
    You stated:
    “I know home time is going to suck. I know we will never see him -- and that is handleable as long as it is indeed what we want it to be. We both agree on that. Please, give me some help here.”
    “If time is asked off, is there any guarantee that he will get it? For instance, I am getting ready to graduate from college (for the first time ever) and our daughter is getting ready to graduate from high school. Our oldest son is getting ready to go away to college. If he asked off for those times, is he guaranteed the ability to be home for them?”
    Those statements are more about you and your needs than his. I know that people in the military do not know when or how long they will be home and that their leave time can be cut short with no warning or consideration to family matters. Trucking is no different, and perhaps in some aspects even more uncaring and unpredictable. Murphy’s Law of what can go wrong will go wrong, applies more in trucking than any other industry I know. The trucking industry as a whole waits for no one and has no feelings or heart. Most companies do not care about you, your family or your needs. It’s all about the financial returns on their investment, being in this case your significant other. Yes to a certain degree they will be tolerant of family emergencies and events. But the bottom line is there are no guarantees in life except dying and paying taxes.
    You said:
    “NOW -- with that being said, my uncle has been in the trucking industry since I was in diapers (a long time) with a company based out of Vinita, OK. When we asked him about the option, he said that things have changed, and not so much for the good. Our neighbor has been driving for a couple of years as well, and when I talked with he and his wife last night they said that they did not think this would work out for us.”
    This tells me that people that are in trucking as well as know you and your significant other have already told you that this is not a suitable plan. To me that should be the final answer for both you and he. Some times people do not want to accept the answer that they get. They will continue to ask the same questions until they get the response that they want. They will re-phrase the same questions over and over re-hashing the responses until they hear what they want.
     
  6. buck and a half

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    I'm with alligator on this one. I would maybe suggest refinancing your home or remorgage or trade down,get your expenses down,then try driving if you think and know thats what you want. While there are plenty of drivers financed to the hilt that I have personally known,with 1000,a month home paym,and two new vehicles,they work for union companies and are ussually home at night or day and take almost all their pay home due to bringing their own lunchs from home.These are hard jobs to come by until you get experience driving with an excellent safety record. You could go into a rental house,learn to team together,home school your children for 5 years,then you quit and you will have a hose paid off or close to it and cars would be paid for. Teaming you two can make 100,000 to 140,000 a year with a good company. Its a stretch but its been done plenty by couples that get along and work good together. Let us know how you are doing. Think of this also,before he goes and gets set up for a cdl,ask around at your local trucking companies,construction,cement mixers,local freight haulers,all of them where you live.See what they have to offer,if you get a good local job you can do good and make it if you get overtime each week and take a lunch with you.i spend 140 to 200 on the road,if I worked local I would have that much more.just some things to think about. good luck and keep us informed.
     
  7. moginas

    moginas Bobtail Member

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    Well, I do not feel bashed, but I would like the opportunity to clear a few things up.

    We discussed my asking the questions, and because I am better with words and people, WE decided I would be the one to approach the forum.

    IF THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, I WOULD GIVE UP ALL THAT WE HAVE AND STAND BEHIND HIM. However, we are trying to make a decision that is best for us and would not force us to lose what it is that we have worked so very hard for already.

    I would, indeed, always wonder where he was. I would always wonder if he was tired or getting enough rest. I would wonder if he was eating right. I would wonder about the things he saw daily and the trials he faced. I would NEVER, on the other hand, have to wonder who he was with, lot lizards or otherwise. I would worry about his laundry, his truck being clean enough, him being comfortable, having all the he wants/needs on the road, etc. I would worry more than you could ever imagine, as that is the heart that I have. BUT at the same time I would be happy to stand behind him if it would work for us.

    Finally, there is more than just money in the future tense at stake here. We have already started a business that will thrive, but is behind a year because of some ill-fated fortune that befell us from trusting others. This would be a decision based on frustration regarding that, with the hopes it would push us forward.

    My Mo means the world to me. Next to my children, his happiness is what makes me the most happy. It would be a lie if I said that I would not miss him every single day. It would be a lie if I said that this is what I think is best. At the end of the day, losing what we have would be better than losing my Mo.........but common sense has to prevail somewhere.

    Thank you all so very much for your help. I am sorry that I presented you with the opportunity to think that what HE thinks or feels is not important to me. After all, I am asking these questions because what he thinks and feels is important to me. I have given all that I have every day of my life in an attempt to be a good spouse and friend to him. We have failed each other in frustration at times, the same as the rest of the world, but he is my hero. I cannot see not asking questions when it is one of the most important decisions we will ever make in our lives.

    Yes, I am ill. I sustained a head injury that causes me to have seizures. Most of the time they just make me physically unstable, shaky and unable to speak without stuttering. Sometimes, they leave me hurting and unable to care for myself.............BUT even that would not allow me to ask him to not do this if it was going to meet all of our needs and allow us to reach our goals.

    Once again, sorry that I left you with the wrong impression. I just know that life has a way of pushing you against the wall, and when it does.....we are quick to look for ways to fix it. We are finally getting comfortable and I did not want to do something that would pull us backward instead of forward. ALL OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE ASKED ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO KNOW IN ORDER TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION.

    Thanks again. I have much respect for all of you.
    Gina
     
  8. pro1driver

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    i hate to say this, but you were "worried" about your home and other things, now you are throwing in a "business" you started some time ago.....?? if you think it will 'thrive", think again. most business's fail in less than a years time. i'm thinking now, you're looking for a way to "bail out" and by him driving, you still "think" that trucking will keep your heads afloat........this just ain't gonna happen........and "frustration" regarding your "business"........hmmmmm......sounds fishy to me now.......

    he's simply NOT going to make any substaintial money for quite some time...

    right, so where is "YOUR COMMON SENSE" here........??
    a "business", a mortgage, kids, bills, etc,etc, and you think that trucking is "YOUR ANSWER"....??

    with this, i am "thinking", that you are wearing the pants, and are the one actually looking for a way out of some very serious dept you are in, and you are "forcing" your hubby to do something he will most certainly give up, seeing that he isn't going to be making any surmountable money "real quick"......

    a business, home, kids, etc,etc, and you're "ill".....?? how can that "business" survive when you're laying on the floor when you become "physically unstable"......??......look at the parts i highlighted, bold and italiced...?? i "thought so"......its YOU that are DEMANDING he get you 2 out of debt. was the "business" your idea.....?? (i think so, because i'm "seeing" you as money hungry for "get rich quick schemes")

    i no longer have the "wrong impression" of YOU now........
     
  9. moginas

    moginas Bobtail Member

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    I have done a horrible job of representing myself on this forum. I regret having come here with the concerns that we have. That being said, please allow me this one opportunity.

    I am not asking, or demanding, Mo fix anything. THE BUSINESS WAS HIS IDEA, not that it matters. If it fails, it fails..........but it won't be because we didn't give all that we have to make it work. There is no shame in doing all that you can and then standing. Mo has worked hard on the business (physically) and has not had to concentrate on anything else because I make a good enough living to sustain us and put all that we need into it and our everyday lives. I recently befell horrible misfortune and lost my job. We have lived on our savings and made it through the holidays. He came up with the idea that trucking may allow him to work for a while and I could take it easy and dedicate what I needed to to work, college and the business, while at the same time meeting all of the needs that we have.

    I am not money hungry or out for get rich quick schemes. I have worked all of my life, and most of the time at more than one job. I am proud to say that and not at all embarrassed that I stand for the hard working ethics that I was taught.

    We asked the questions that we did so that we could be fully prepared for the issues that might arise, and because there have been so many different pictures of the trucking industry painted for us. We were looking for guidance, not anything else.

    Yes, we have a lot of responsibilities. No, we are not "in the red" yet---this was an attempt to keep that from happening. We did not want to do something that would further our backslide, plain and simple.

    I am sorry that you have a picture of me that is so totally incorrect. I work my butt off, in all that I do. I live each day to make sure that the things that Mo and my kids want come to pass if there is anything that I can do to help it.

    I am also sorry that you have the wrong idea about Mo----as he is not the kind of man that you demand anything from. LOL :biggrin:

    Mo does not have to take care of me in any way, shape or form. I am not an invalid---I face challenges that make me who I am. I overcome them, and am not left flailing in the floor helpless, thank God. It is at times hard, and I only mentioned it because someone had asked. I do not need anyone to feel sorry for me or take care of me.

    Finally, Mo is a wonderful person. We are very good people. We have given more than we have taken in this world, and most of the time it has cost us. He has a college degree and there is no work in our area for him in that area. He has shown interest in this and we were trying to make an informed decision.

    I am not the gold-digging wench who demands anything, as you have implied. I am a dedicated, hard-working, God fearing woman who loves her family with all that she has. I would never ask him to do or not do anything out of selfishness. As a matter of fact, I have worked, provided for our family and given all that I have out of love and respect to try and help him further his dreams, which make them our dreams.

    I am sorry that you got the wrong impression.

    God bless you all.
    Gina
     
  10. pro1driver

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    ok....................

    what "time" will YOU dedicate once "hubby" is away from home..........(more on my question furthur down)


    hmmm..........in "some instances"

    "misfortunes" happen to everyone, nearly everyday, but people don't "ressort" to trucking to bail them out. living on savings and nearly getting by is something (again) we have all done at one time or another


    remember the "dedicatd" question i asked jsut above....??
    well here we go. NOW, your talking college, which you NEVER mentioned before. kids, college, housekeeping, the "business".............the list with you goes on and on, so WHAT time(s) will you be "dedicating to the business so that it won't fail...??? then the kids, then the college, then YOUR studies (homework), the list with you just keeps growing, like "Jack's Beanstalk"..............



    the "jury" is still out on this one, but i still suspect that's its YOU looking for a "bail-out situation", and you think trucking is the way.

    well frankly, you're going to get "everything else". you want HONEST opinions for your situation, but seemingly with each posting of yours, you ADD more things. like the business, now college..........

    DOH..........do ya think.............????


    from i am "seeing" you are destined to fail, and miserably. work ethnics or not, you are already up to your eyeballs in debt, strapped for cash, adding MORE things you want to do (or have), and you EXPECT trucking to be your saving grace...............!!

    hmmm.............nope, i'm usually "dead-on" in my suspicions/thoughts/ gut-feelings

    that's pretty much what we all do, but we as drivers know darn full well we ain't gonna get rich, or make "fistfulls of money" either....this is your (or his) concept of driving. my god girl, you even said you have relatives/friends that you know/respect, and they TOLD YOU trucking isn't the answer. if you ain't going to listen to people you really "claim" to know, why will you even listen to us here.........?? you really wasted your time here, since "listening" isn't in your vocabulary...........

    hmmm....nope, i think he's "whipped" (of sorts)...........

    BUT, with your "so-caled" physical conditions you spoke of earlier, some day you may be, requiring more medical attention, maybe even a "home assistance" nurse. i don't think you will be able to afford that, along with the mortgage, college, kids, the business, etc,etc...............

    again, you're not "flailing on the floor" YET, but you could be soon enough, who are you kidding.....?? not me.........
    and the times are hard now, they ain't going to get any easier with "hubby" away, and all that you got going...........(or want to get going)

    then have him seek employment (in his degree'd field) out of town/state. maybe there is a terrific job with his name on it elsewhere's. yes, there you go, "it cost us" ..............your "informed decision" is being based on the ads you/he reads regarding trucking jobs/money or the recruiters you/he spoke to, or the school personel you/he spoke to.........

    this is still my "first impression" of you as you continued posting, now of course, you want to go to college on "his dime", that you think is going to come in by the bag fulls as a truck driver..........

    i can at least "accept" this statement from you.

    the "love & respect" i can accept, the "dreams", i still think are yours not his...........i think he's being bamboozeld into this

    nope, my "gut feelings" are still with me on this one..........
     
  11. moginas

    moginas Bobtail Member

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    Well, I tell you -- a girl just can't catch a break here. But I tell you what......

    If you want to feel sorry for Mo, then waste all the time you want. The man hasn't had to work outside the business (that I remind you was his idea/dream -- that I stand behind 100%) since the day he asked me to stand behind him on it. Why? Cause he has what it takes to make it happen (1/2) and I have the rest. I have worked 2 jobs and sometimes more so that he/we can achieve that goal. Why? Cause I am a dedicated woman. Because I believe in his dreams and goals even if it means I gotta put a little more into it. What kind of relationship is it if we have to keep score anyhow? I am all about Mo being happy..........ain't that the way it is supposed to be? So before you question how far I am willing to go to make it all work/happen........I'll spell it out..........All The Way.

    Yep -- I do go to college. Yep -- I am sick. Yep -- we do have wonderful kids. We do have a mortgage and bills like the rest of America's finest. HOWEVER, I don't believe that speaks poorly for us. Heck, we do better than most. We chose the life we did because we are goal driven -- not because it is easy.

    By the way there are no "Get Rich Schemes" that work (at least for the ones buying into them), and we are not looking for one. We were considering a career change and wanted sincere opinions from people who didn't worry about me or him. Just honesty.........and if you fault us for that......then get after it. After all, a "recruiter" is a "recruiter" no matter what/who he is trying to sign and will say or promise whatever it takes. We didn't just fall off the turnip truck, we been rolling around out here for a while now.

    I do not feel a bit badly that you think the way that you do Pro1Driver. After all, there are not many women like me left in the world today -- as badly as I hate to say it. Not a whole lot of women know what it takes to be dedicated, faithful and hard-working. More and more of them shame me daily (only cause I am a woman) by being gold-digging, "take care of me" wenches that make even me want to puke. So many of them in fact, that it makes some folks jaded (like you maybe), especially if they have been hurt by one.

    So, in the end -- what I am is one heck of a woman that faces a physical challenge, that works her butt off and tries to better herself and her family. Oh -- and I love my Mo more than ya'll can imagine. Not the "new" kinda love that goes away when it gets tough, but the kind that allowed my Gramma and Grampa to be married 50 some years.

    I am done with my soapbox. Just figured that now was the time to stand up for myself. College, kids, etc...........they aren't life sentences or something to gripe about....they are what makes life worth living -- whether it be trucking, boat bulding, crap shoveling or white collar work that allows it all to happen. Asking about trucking, well........it was our way of making sure that we could handle whatever came our way if it was what was right for us.

    So.......think what you want. At the end of the day I cannot change your mind. I do hope, however, that someday you meet someone like me, that can stand toe to toe with you and help you believe the best in people again (or maybe just believe in women again).

    Poor Mo -- mistreated and worked to death. PUH-LEASE! The man is spoiled rotten when it comes to me -- just like it is supposed to be. It's all about what you can give to someone else, not what you can take away. All I ever wanted from him was his heart.

    Thanks guys......I will let you know what we decide to do.
    Gina
     
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