Is There A Difference Here?

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  1. leviant0107

    leviant0107 Medium Load Member

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    Is there a gross weight different between running a tridem dump trailer and a tandem axle trailer with a drop axle between 3.5 and 9 feet away?

    According to MI weight laws a tridem would be 47 and 34 on my drives bringing me to 93 GVWR. I’m thinking it should be the same for a tandem with a drop.

    If anyone’s wondering I was contemplating on the pros and cons of running a tandem with a drop axle to deal with potentially a lot of business in and out of northern OH
     
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  3. kranky1

    kranky1 Road Train Member

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    . In Onterrible we used to get 61,800 on the 6’ and 9’ spread lift axle trailers as long as you weren’t too close to the truck with the lift. The 12’ tridems they only give us 57,200. That 6’+9’ configuration was pretty much an ON/MI thing and we lost the weight advantage of the 6’+9’ in a regulation change a few years ago. My experience in MI, same as Onterrible, is you pretty much have to have a truck/trailer combo measured for spacings at the scale to find out exactly what you can put on it. I would suggest talking to both MI and OH first, and make a decision from there.
     
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    leviant0107 Medium Load Member

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    The way I see it is to run a a tandem with an additional lift, so I won’t sacrifice maneuverability in OH, and still be able to get close to 20 tons or so in MI. For sand/gravel etc

    38’ aluminum half round with a liner for considerations.
     
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    kranky1 Road Train Member

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    Before the rule changes our problems started with the shorter trailers. 9’ from the tandem you get 20,000 on the lift, unless you’re too close to the truck, then you start losing weight off the lift again. 45’ with a short pin setting you could max out the lift. All it took was a deep pin or a 42’ trailer and we were down to 18,000 on the lift. As I said, all that changed here since I had trucks doing the ON/MI thing. I don’t know what’s happened over there. I’d still call both MI/OH and find out what will work, or the best compromise. A mis-spec’d trailer can lose you a lot of potential revenue over its lifetime if you guess wrong.
     
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    leviant0107 Medium Load Member

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    Thanks for the advice I’ll definitely be calling as one of the intended companies I plan to work with is in Northern OH but they service the area between the two. And I’m figuring a little sand and gravel there, and possibility some fert back if I can work it out right.

    Alternatively I’ve considered a train, 28 and 22 pup tris on both with forward axle lifts.

    Thinking I could break up and just pull the 28 to OH and run heavy here. I believe there’s some sort of permit to get 90 in OH and if I’m not mistaken gravel trains are grandfathered in to Toledo or something like that.
     
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    kranky1 Road Train Member

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    Oh man then for sure you want to get it right. Hauling stuff rated by the ton or hundredweight is where you really suffer from a couple hundred or a thousand pounds a load for years. Doing the research on what combination of spec and permit combination allows you to max out is worth thousands of dollars a year to you. Can’t leave those nickels and dimes laying around. They add up too.
     
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    leviant0107 Medium Load Member

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    Boom, found it.

    $630 bucks for a year long “Michigan Legal” weight permit to operate no more than 154k GVW in the counties adjacent to the Michigan border with accompanying number of axles according to Michigan weight laws. Tridem doubles it is lol
     
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    Thought they might have something in place but I wasn’t sure. The automotive industry pushed that. ON and MI aligned their weight rules and configurations somewhat to make it easier. The counties around Detroit where your only maximums are engineering maximums on structures on your route was automotive related too obviously. I knew back in the day the steel trucks used to go down to the forging plants and #### in Toledo heavy. Just wasn’t sure how they were doing it. You found it.
     
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    134k in Indiana, checked that too…figured there’d be something to cover that end so more than just half the border. Interesting thing is that there’s a heavy haul route completely across the top of IN that gets you into Chicago. Didn’t see anything like that for getting you the rest of the way across OH to Pittsburg
     
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    A couple of years ago the IL end was a problem for Canadian trains. They were good for weight but not length in IL I guess, they were supposed to split. Jean-Guy Tabarnac and the boys from Montreal were going in and out of there hooked up and had IL DOT wiggin’ out. Again that’s a few years ago and may have changed since with the issues they were having.
     
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