Why is it better to have the tandems slid forward when alleydocking?

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  1. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    Trust me, it’s not near as complicated as some are making it. Slide the tandems, back in, get loaded or unloaded, then leave.
     
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  3. lester

    lester Midwest's #1 Feed Hauler

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    Tail swing on your sight side is not what you need to worry about or what anyone else is talking about. It's the tail swing on your blind side if there is an obstacle there
     
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  4. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    Before you wrote this post, I thought I understood this completely. Now I am confused. Are you only writing about tail swing to the blind side when you are driving forward making a correction?

    On a standard 45 degree alleydock, if you never let the nose of your trailer go east of the rear of your trailer, how would there be any tail swing to the blind side while the truck is in reverse?

    On a standard 45 degree alleydock, as a trucker backs the tractor-trailer, the nose of the trailer moves to the east faster than the rear of the trailer. So why would there be tail swing to the blind side while the truck is in reverse?
     
  5. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    There Is tailswing to the blind side in a sight-side back. With the trailer at 45°, the right rear corner of the trailer can follow a path a couple feet to the right of the tandem (varies depending on tandem placement.) That's why in my previous post I talked about the trailer being effectively wider when backing with the tandems forward.

    That tailswing is actually more of an issue than the swing you're talking about from going past center. At least you can normally see that as you go past center (unless it's a very tight cut.)
     
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  6. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    Yes, the passenger side bumper of the trailer will follow a path about a few feet to the right (or east, using my compass direction points) of the tandems. No doubt about it. But that is not trailer swing. There rear bumper is NOT swinging on a pivot point in such a scenario. That's just rear overhang.


    Yeah, the rear overhang is far more of an issue than the real tail swing I previously wrote about from going past center, but the rear overhang following a path closer to the right side obstacle ain't trailer swing.

    Tail swing is when the rear overhang pivots at the tandems.
     
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  7. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    That ain't tail swing. Tail swing is when the tail SWINGS around a pivot point.
     
  8. lester

    lester Midwest's #1 Feed Hauler

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    I strongly disagree. In reverse the tail is still swinging around a pivot point. But I guess call it whatever you want. Tail swing or trailer overhang its still the same. But the amount of tail swing or overhang is affected by tandem placement.
    I'm out
     
  9. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    The tail can swing around a pivot point in reverse. But what you are calling tail swing to the blind side is NOT the tail swinging around a pivot point. It's just the rear of the trailer sticking out.
     
  10. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    We're just differing on semantics.
    The rear overhang does pivot about the tandems during a back , albeit not as obviously because of the moving tandem and the generally shallow angle of the truck and trailer. There's been plenty of trucks torn up by that overhang swinging right if the truck leaving a spot cuts too tight. That's the exact same mechanism as going over center, just with the truck going forward.
     
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    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    I've always told new guys that you know you're in a tight spot when you have worry about which way both ends of the trailer will be moving laterally as you change the angle of the truck and trailer.
     
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