Who is/will be the 1st TTR member to drive Electric Semi-Truck?

Can you provide your source?
Because I certainly can’t find it?
Elon Musk expected to tout 'million-mile battery.' Here's what that means

 

Several news articles, but yes I was unable to find it on their website. Also pointing to their car battery packs shows just how desperate and afraid of change you really are.....

 

Oh… okay. So you can’t find it? Only info I can find says the car batteries are good for 150,000. I gave them the benefit of the doubt saying they would get 2-300,000 for the truck battery. Seems you are the desperate one. Put up your source smart guy! Wait you said you couldn’t find it. I found one that said Elon thinks that sometime in the future maybe, might could, possibly go a million miles but we aren’t there yet. Gtf out of here…

 

Like I said said, it's so sad you are so delusional.

 

What’s delusional is you thinking this didn’t make you look like a jack ###.

 

No, Tesla is not warranting their semi batteries for a million miles. They're offering a million mile drive train warranty excluding the battery pack. Musk has spoken several times over the last few years about producing million mile batteries but hasn't developed one yet. His best battery warranty to date is 150,000 on the model X which has the largest battery pack of any Tesla other than the semi and it costs $24,000 to replace per Tesla. It's not much of a stretch to estimate that the semi battery pack is at least double or triple the size of the Model X batteries and would have a cost of double or triple $24,000 which would easily out price the cost of a diesel rebuild. As we've seen with Twitter, Musk isn't afraid to lose a lot of money to prove a point, so if he does offer an extended warranty on semi batteries I doubt if he would go beyond 200,000 or 300,000 miles with current battery technology without bankrupting the company.

 

My question to you was to point out the inherent efficiency of central production. No sane person would advocate for having each home generate their own electricity. Regardless of the environmental cost, actual cost would be prohibitive. Even using coal powered power plants (and 'dirty coal' at that), if we magically replaced every ice car and truck with ev, overall CO2 emissions would drop, and that's just the start.

 

There is some data here on Tesla car battery pack longevity:

Tesla data shows battery degradation is limited but not all packs are created equal

Couple of things to note:

This is “old” data. Tesla keeps track of their battery performance in EVERY CAR THEY HAVE SOLD. Tesla is known for being obsessive about improvements, continuous improvements. They have already used this data and iterated two or three times to capitalize on strengths and eliminate weaknesses. It’s not Paccar or Daimler milking a motor for 20 years.

From the graph in the article we can see that generally, battery packs in Tesla easily retain 80% of the original battery capacity past 200K miles and that degradation is virtually nil at that point. If we think of that in charge cycles, it’s not unreasonable to assume that the semi would be at 400K at the same number of charge cycles because it’s range is roughly twice that of a car.

Another point. There is no such thing as “the Tesla batteries”. They make the nickel-cobalt- aluminum in 18650 cells, but they also use that chemistry in the larger 2170 cell configuration.

They also make a LFP (lithium iron phosphate), which uses the 2170 cell size. LFP is a less energy dense chemistry, but it is very robust, long lasting.

Then there is the new, larger 4860 cell now used in Austin for the model Y. The 4860 cell is larger and more energy dense. And is just coming into commercial scale production. In Austin, where the Tesla semi is being produced…….

Logic would seem to lead to the conclusion that the Tesla Semi has been waiting on the 4860 cell to become available because battery energy density is such a big deal in trucking. The timing sure seems to match.

So we know that based on the record of the Tesla car batteries we can easily expect 500K from a pack, but the new 4860 cell has no public track record yet.

 

One big difference in battery packs is how much harder they’re going to be used in the truck. That’ll surely impact longevity.

Meanwhile, let’s keep turning a blind eye to the toxicity and inhumane treatment of those procuring the resources to manufacture these “green” batteries. Let’s turn a blind eye to the amount of energy necessary to manufacture these “efficient” batteries. Let’s turn a blind eye to taxpayer dollars being used to prop up this industry.

 

That’s good info, but if you read the comments people are complaining that charging time has more that doubled in some cases as the battery ages. That’s going to present an issue in the transportation industry. Don’t you think?