STAY AWAY FROM INTERNATIONAL TRUCKS.

Lonesome · Jan 10, 2023

Rodbuilder1947 said: ↑

International is destined for failure.

If your an old trucker/geared like my you've already heard the saying: If it isn't broke, then don't fix it.......... or, as the people that make these junk trucks would say: "Why leave it like it is, when we can screw it up in a heartbeat"!!!

At 76, I am truly an old trucker. I got my first driving job in Denver, after passing a road test in light of the fact that I had never even been in a semi!! I just KNEW how to drive!

International USED to make a good truck, but In 2001 some moron ther came up with the boneheaded idea to change the way they handled emmissions, and computerized their engines and International has been on a downward spiral ever since then.

That said, in late 2022 I bought a 7400 plow/dump truck to resell. After sitting for just 99 days I went out to "exercise" it and it wouldn't start!

After many tries over the next couple weeks and the help of a longtime friend of mine who is an International guru, we gave up and I had him tow it to our local dealer, Thompson Truck And Trailer, in Sterling, Illinois.they have put a rebuilt HPOP, intake manifold gasket and fuel rail o-rings on it, but still no start!

To date, the truck has now been at the dealer right at 5 MONTHS and still isn't
running!!

Today, Jan 9, 2023, I called Navistar's corporate office near Chicago and talked to their woman customer "service" rep who admitted she knows nothing about a diesel engine who put me on hold and called the dealer.

She came back about 40 minutes later, saying that the svce Mgr told her that "the truck won't because it isn't getting full to the injectors and black smoke is coming out the exhaust!!!

WAIT A MINUTE!!! Black smoke/no fuel? SERIOUSLY??

So it's clear to this old trucker that the (COUGH) "mechanics" at this dealership wouldn't make a pimple on a good mechanics butt and all they're doing is running up a big bill for me.

During my research on the net I discovered that International lost a 30 MILLION dollar suit by a TEnnessee school bus company for their infamous, stupid RE-design of their em.issions system, so my problem only adds to the fact that:
A. They have no idea how to make a dependable engine.
And B, couldn't care less about the people who buy the junk they make.

So there's about a 90 percent chance that Rodbuilder is going to lose the $14,900 I'm now into this truck, because I have no intention of paying a big bill for a truck that even a DEALER won't fix!!

That said, STAY AWAY FROM THIS HORRIBLE COMPANY AND THEIR CRAPPY TRUCKS. IF YOU DONT YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE EVERYTHING YOU PAY FOR IT.

P. Moore
Sterling, Ill.
Legman1947@yahoo.com
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noted.....

Lonesome · Jan 10, 2023

JoeyJunk said: ↑

This is why everyone needs one of these. They practically fix themselves while you drive down the road. And women throw themselves at the truck just trying to even catch a glimpse of the driver. It has changed my life.
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You da man!

Siinman · Jan 10, 2023

Ridgeline said: ↑

Sorry it isn't a complicated engine, the dealer should know what the problem is or at least know enough to track down the problem. If there was a serious problem, a regional service manager should be called in (you can ask for one) to escalate the problem with NAVISTAR and if they can't get something done, then they can hand it to one of the field engineers who will go to the dealer and see what they are NOT doing.

I have a truck sitting here (never will be on the road EVER) with a lot of problems, I took a $67,000 loss (it was increased from $63,000 because of legal fees), so I know what it means to have a truck down without any one figuring it all out. BUT five months is too long without action. Like Cummins, calling International will give you just lip service.

The car companies started their crap with emissions around 1961 with the PCV system, then in 1966 was the air injection system which started to lower HP, then we had the EGR in 1972, and the Cat in 1975. CARB came into existence in 1967 and in 1970 Nixon created the EPA with a tight charter to limit the damage they could do, which didn't work out that way.

The SAE changed the way Horse Power was measured in 1971, which changed all the ratings on all engines. Going from Gross to Net made it look like there were huge loses.

As for International trucks, well they made Ford pickup trucks engines so it is the same design as the millions of PUs. I disagree with this "international trucks are the dodge rams of trucking, poorly built low quality trucks with zero resell value." I think the international trucks are the Ford of trucking, poorly built low quality trucks with zero resell value. Disclosure, I have several new Fords and when they depreciate completely, they are gone - nothing but a PIA.
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All but the ford stuff was good stuff. I could not bring myself to hit the like button. lol

runningman0661 · Jan 10, 2023

SmoothBore said: ↑

International trucks are the dodge rams of trucking, poorly built low quality trucks with zero resell value.
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Says a guy driving a cascadia, hilarious.

Last Call · Jan 10, 2023

Siinman said: ↑

Chevys suck and so does baseball. But I do like the others just a FYI. LOL
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I hate baseball its stupid & boring .. I can't eat apple pie .. & chevy trucks are ok ..but mopar is the best .. I guess thats why I'am Irish ..

Siinman · Jan 10, 2023

Catmando said: ↑

I hate baseball its stupid & boring .. I can't eat apple pie .. & chevy trucks are ok ..but mopar is the best .. I guess thats why I'am Irish ..
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I love some homemade apple pie and think the same way with baseball and basketball. Pretty much all the new trucks are pretty nice if I have to be honest but I am a Ford man for sure. I do love the old Mopar cars as well.

JoeyJunk · Jan 10, 2023

olddog_newtricks · Jan 10, 2023

Moosetek13 said: ↑

The main issue I have had with International trucks has been the electronics and electrics, not the emission stuff.
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My only complaint has been keeping the air conditioning working. Every International I've ever been in has had air conditioning problems.

Blackjack55 · Jan 10, 2023

SmoothBore said: ↑

International trucks are the dodge rams of trucking, poorly built low quality trucks with zero resell value.
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Blackjack55 · Jan 10, 2023

They don't call them cornfield Cadillacs for no reason

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