Loan using trailer as collateral?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by zaroba, Feb 24, 2023.

  1. Rideandrepair

    Rideandrepair Road Train Member

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    I’ve needed to repower a load twice over the years. First time in early 08, I blew my engine in Knoxville. Rented a Truck, delivered the load to the Gulf Coast. It was a day late. Dragged another load back, just trying to cover the cost of the rental at that point, not expecting to profit. I rented it from Penske. It wasn’t too expensive, flat rate, and a per mile charge. It worked out well. Rented a car home for a couple weeks while the engine got an overhaul. Penske stopped renting to single O/O’s soon afterwards. Too many in dire straights I imagine. Not sure what their policy is now. Second time was 8 mos. later. Wrecked the Truck in NJ. Had a cheap load of paper out of NY going to Va. I paid a Local Carrier to deliver the load. Agreed to let him load my Trailer back. It cost me $200 more than it paid me. The Carrier was a good guy, had 13 Trucks. He made good money with Local accounts, didn’t really need my Business. He was fair and didn’t take advantage of the situation. It worked out good for everyone. He even drove Me to the airport to get my rental car. Nowadays if I found myself in that situation, probably wouldn’t be able to rent a Truck as a single O/O. It’s best to have an account set up already with a rental company if possible. That way you’re covered if needed. I was already set up with Penske, from a previous Trailer rental that I ended up cancelling. Usually if a Carrier can’t deliver the Load, if it’s a Brokered Load, the Broker will repost it as a Power only Load. You need a Trailer interchange agreement, set up through your Insurance company and the new Carriers insurance. No big deal. Today if I found myself in a jam, I’d hire one of three O/O’s I know to cover the Load. I’d probably have them set up with the Broker. Depending on the Brokers wishes. They’d do it if possible. We’d figure out a fair compensation. We help each other out quite a bit on repairs, and have discussed such hypothetical scenarios. I’ve loaned my Trailer when it was needed for a day. We share tools, etc. Anyway it happens all the time. One way or another the Broker has to figure out a way to repower the Load. Hopefully you have a helpful solution. Just have to work together, no other choice.
     
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  3. Concorde

    Concorde Road Train Member

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    Going to try getting approved by a rental company before I end up broke down. Probably give Hogan a call first since I’ve driven one of their trucks before.
     
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  4. Rideandrepair

    Rideandrepair Road Train Member

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    Let Us know. I also had towing coverage through Ooida insurance at the time. $500 deductible. Used it twice in one year. Williamsburg Ky-Knoxville 68 miles, cost $500. My current Northland Ins. doesn’t offer it. I’m told Great west does. Well worth it, last thing anyone needs is a huge towing bill on top of a disaster.
     
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  5. TallJoe

    TallJoe Road Train Member

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    It has become a hassle to rent a truck. Pensky is almost not an option for a solo o/o. At least in my experience. Either them or Ryder required the business address to be separate from home. I would do all I could to finish the job but the next time it happens I may need to repower it with another carrier or let the broker arrange for it. Less hassle and quicker this way. That's a huge disadvantage of running independent, you are on your own finding solutions and they are always costly.
     
  6. Short Fuse EOD

    Short Fuse EOD Road Train Member

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    Single O/O here. I am set up with Ryder.
     
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  7. zaroba

    zaroba Heavy Load Member

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    Wow, looks like I opened a can of worms with this post. To clarify some things:

    I've been a member here since 2012 but got my CDL in 2015. Bought my truck in late 2019, got my operating authority at the start of 2020 right when covid was starting. Started with almost no money and a beat up 20 year old trailer that I bought for just 1k.

    In the beginning of 2021 I upgraded to my current 2018 Wabash dry van. No financing at all, bought it outright for $28,000. Also in 2021 I bought 18 new tires and got the clutch replaced in my transmission (the only other major repair I've needed). Trailer is still in excellent condition too, no dings or scratches.

    So it should be obvious that being profitable and having funds wasn't an issue for most of my time.

    Things had been going great and in Feb of 2022 I bought a house near the shore for my mother. She wanted to retire but couldn't afford the house so I bought it for her. 40k down payment, financed for the remaining 100k. (I basically live out of my truck so it wasn't an issue)

    Then things got bad. Shortly after moving I got stuck parked at home for over 2 months because PennDOT 'lost' my registration payment. My savings vanished and the economy also went downhill, as we all know, so building back up is difficult. I'm still profitable, just not much. I've been putting extra money into the house and other related bills. I do have credit cards, but they wont help much with the repair. Been using one for my hotel stay.


    As for the load I was under, I've been keeping the broker updated since I initially broke down. Even asked them about having a power only driver deliver the load and drop the trailer somewhere, and then I could just bobtail down or take a power only load to Texas to get my trailer again. But they never got back to me about that, I'm sure there are insurance and liability issues regarding it.

    Repairs aren't an issue, I do most of them myself with the huge assortment of tools in my truck. But I can't calibrate a BPV (Back Pressure Valve since somebody asked), nor a turbo. Doubt there's other issues like valves or piston rings as somebody mentioned. Truck was driving fine, parked for the night and shut off the engine, next day when I started the engine and tried to leave it would practically stall trying to go over 3mph and my diagnostics laptop revealed the turbo and BPV issues.

    I don't want to give up, hence why I came here asking for recommendations as somebody mentioned.

    Repair is estimated at 13k, I don't have that much but I also don't need to take that big of a loan. I'd actually prefer 15k to have a safety cushion and still have the money in my bank to not worry about fuel and other smaller repair expenses. Last thing I want is to not be able to afford a tire if I get a blowout, lol.
     
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  8. Siinman

    Siinman Road Train Member

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    Can you get a home loan off that home? Might be an easy set up and can pay it back within a year so not a big deal.
     
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  9. Tarh331_Dad

    Tarh331_Dad Light Load Member

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    There's a whole lotta truth in what OscarGoldman is saying throughout this thread.

    Dark ugly gut-wrenching truth.

    Being in debt on a tractor with a blown motor is pretty much a financial death sentence.

    If selling the trailer would cover the cost of [competent] repairs to the motor [using quality parts, not made-in-China parts], then you've gotta sell the trailer.

    And whoever owns the goods inside the trailer will simply have to send someone else to come pick up the goods.

    If that you gets blacklisted with the broker who booked you the gig, then to heck with the broker.

    It's the broker's responsibility now; let him deal with it.

    You need to get that trailer emptied and get that trailer sold.

    !!! DO NOT GO INTO FURTHER DEBT !!!

    !!! DEBT WILL RUIN YOU !!!!

    PS: Pocketing the proceeds of the sale of the trailer puts you in a race against time: Can you book enough gigs to finish paying off the loan on the tractor before you have another catastrophic engine failure?

    If it's a 50-50 proposition as to whether you can beat the clock on paying off that tractor loan before the next major catastrophe, then you might think about selling the trailer for cash, and simply disappearing for a while [keeping your Class A license clean & up-to-date while taking on oddball jobs here & there until you have accumulated enough of a financial war chest to show your face in public again].

    PPS: I don't know anything about your personal life, and especially whether there might be a wife & kids involved, but if there are a wife & kids involved, then the cash you took for the trailer needs to be hidden in your garage or some dadgum where that it's available for family emergencies.

    Meaning neither the IRS nor your creditors need to know about the existence of that little pile of cash.

    Worst case scenario [say, you owe 100K+ on that PACCAR], then you might have to enter into a strategic divorce simply to protect the financial standing of your wife & your children [you'd be legally divorced at the courthouse, and you'd give them all of the cash from the proceeds of selling the trailer, and you'd be assuming all of the debt at the bankruptcy, so as to keep your wife and kids debt free].
     
  10. Concorde

    Concorde Road Train Member

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    Blown motor?
    Divorce over $13k?

    LOL!
     
  11. Siinman

    Siinman Road Train Member

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    It is the internet so we have to blow it all up to the end of the world. ha ha
     
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