Driving Time Per Day and Breaks

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Analyst Jamie, Jun 2, 2023.

  1. Lazer

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    ‘EV’s are maintenance free’? What kinda of balderdash is that? Tires, lights, brakes, A/C, those items are ‘maintenance free?
    And make no mistake, for all of you that believe they are ‘getting away’ with not paying road tax because you charge at home, those days will come to screeching halt. Make no mistake, EV manufacturer’s can easily and willfully comply with a govt mandate to have special recharging systems that will only work from a dedicated meter that you need to purchase if you want to recharge at home.
     
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    Love em or hate em.

    Technology stands still for no one.

    I like having cleaner air. And being able to see the mountains these days. Unless the fires are raging.
     
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  5. Analyst Jamie

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    Thanks for responses. Looks like a 30-minute break in 11 hour drive is quite common for OTR. That’s not going to work for electric by 2030. Looks like I may need to put my forecast down a bit, thanks for the feedback. Please keep any more comments coming so I can get a sense as to the average.

    In the EU it will be different – mandatory break of 45 minutes every 4.5 hours anyway means that EV charging won't slow things down as much.

    For urban situation, EVs work very will with existing grid because you can charge overnight when demand is low in return for lower electric rates and cheaper chargers for slow charging: it means an x% increase in electric use requires far less than x% increase in capacity. For OTR/long-haul it’s a lot trickier how you get all the juice.

    Judge, you don’t need to worry too much about toxic gases and fires from EV. EV fire rate per vehicle is 20 times less than conventional vehicles (petrol/diesel) according to one study, and 60 times less according to another. The only problem is that the battery fires can happen so fast that you would be dying before you even woke up. However the risk is SO low if you look at the data for cars…but maybe design the truck so that the batteries are far away from where you sleep so that a battery fire wouldn't be lethal.

    Cattleman, for cold temperatures, EVs work fine, this has been proven. It’s not a concern. But the range is lower. For cars it’s around 20% lower in normal winter, or 40% lower if well below freezing. For trucks it will be a bit better I guess because you don’t have to heat the whole truck, just the cabin. So you have to specify the battery size to match the worst winter conditions. Diesel and petrol also suffer range loss in winter, it’s just that you don’t notice because the range is higher.

    Flood, electric car batteries will last 15 or 25 years, the lifetime of the car, or maybe over 200,000 miles. This has long since been proven because they have been selling electric cars for many years now. For OTR trucking it’s different because the mileage is so high that the battery may need to be replaced. But perhaps only at about the same time you would have to do an engine rebuild anyway – it may turn out the same. That's just my guess. They will probably specify the batteries for 500,000 miles life (maybe 5 years) which may require a better quality battery than a car - battery cooling system will need to be very good for instance.

    EVs (both cars and trucks) have about half the maintenance cost according to both public data and private research I’ve done. Of course you have all the same stuff like tires, lights etc (brakes a little less because EV brakes work differently) but you save on all the engine related stuff.

    Most drivers actually prefer electric vehicles because of reduced noise, vibrations, pollution, smells etc. I spoke to a few bus drivers at a depot here in Chile and they loved it, same story elsewhere. Some EV doubters can be somewhat converted when they give it a try! I've heard plenty of stories like this from my private research. If any of you do urban work / distribution/shorter distances rather than OTR then give it a try if you get the chance - see what you think.
     
  6. 4wayflashers

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    What people are failing to mention is that drivers will do what they need to do to earn that paycheck. If swift bought all new EV trucks and told all their drivers to charge up mid day and during sleep break that is exactly what they will do. Obviously there would need to be charging stations in every spot at basically every truck stop and rest area for a carrier to even consider it.

    Another option would be to do a battery swap but drivers will abuse that system when they get a new battery pack they will want to keep it. Kind of like trailers.

    Can solar produce enough electricity to power a truck? A typical trailer roof is 8’x53’.

    Nuclear is probably the best option. Either nuke powered trucks or nuke powered chargers.

    I dont think it will happen anytime soon but more powerful and silent emissions free trucks would be fine with me.

    I think Elon will be delivering freight with his new giant rockets before the infrastructure is in place to make EV OTR trucks anywhere near workable (on a large scale).
     
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    Why do people assume this to be true?

    It isn't.

    Most EVs other than a leaf and Porsche, last a long time unless they are damaged.

    There is a bigger recycling movement than there is an EV movement, the batteries are recycled or repurposed.
     
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  8. 4wayflashers

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    Yeah there is a massive new battery technology breakthrough which will allow batteries to be much lighter last longer and charge much faster. something to do with a new material that conducts electricity with near zero resistance and it produces little to no heat as well. Probably be a few years for it to be mass produced and widely available at a reasonable cost.

    New quantum state boosts material's conductivity by a billion percent.
     
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  9. 4wayflashers

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    I have no doubt some drivers love noise and smoke exhaust 3 feet from their heads while they sleep every night.

    Most people dont want to remember that the tesla is by far the fastest car on the road these days. And I do mean faster than Lamborghinis and Ferrari fast. Ludicrous fast.

    It’s a weird thing nowadays where people think EV is some diabolical plot by a political party. So many take a hard stand without any reason other than they think pollution is awesome or something. Probably what goes better with guns but diesel soot lol. To me, that is easily one of the oddest twists Ive ever seen in all my days, and there are a lot of odd divisive twists on both sides in todays America.
     
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    Reasonable cost? Have you priced batteries lately, especially lithium ion? I was shocked when pricing an electric chainsaw. The battery( $200) was almost more than the saw ($259) that did not include one with the sale. Nice, huh?Many generations from now, our grandkids, if any, will see what a ripoff this whole electric phoophery was.
     
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    We are in the mist of a trade war and supply problems. In 5-10 years the cost of electricity in America will be near zero due to wind and solar coupled with battery storage.

    We are feeling the heat right now because we are transitioning away from fossil fuels probably too early but make no mistake, the US will be in an enormously advantaged place in 5-10 years.

    If you need proof look how Saudi Arabia is doing everything it can think of to transition to being a technology powerhouse. The writing is on the wall and it’s clear as day.
     
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