If you got a min? Landstar to F2F move and loads?

Doesn't LS take 35%?

You might do a search on this forum on F2F. And show your buddy.

 

The comparison between LS 35% versus F2F 20% is meaningless. He won't magically make 15% more going to F2F and if he's just pulling spot loads in all likelihood that 80% might be equal to or even less than 65-70% or whatever it is. The other thing with LS is there are actually some agents there who really have some good paying direct freight or direct access to some really good 3PL stuff. Granted they surely have a bunch that are just pulling the same garbage from loadboards as F2F and others but if he seeks out the good stuff, do your job and make those contacts he'll be fine until ready to get your own numbers. But ultimately what's the point in making a lateral move? Because that's what this would be. The time and revenue lost in the transition downtime won't ever be made back. It's just not worth the headache.

 

Why give up 20% and just for spot loads?

Countless carriers will offer you same deal at 10-12%

 

It's not the same deal for 10-12%. The carriers offering you 88-90% charge back literally everything, a gazillion backcharges out of every settlement, so you end up actually being around 65-80% in reality. See how that works?

The only company I ever saw that was a legit 87% with one charge back being IFTA (a very insignificant expense) and the $30 monthly ELD fee was the last one I was leased at. They also broke out a fuel surcharge from every brokered load and paid it 100% to my truck (nobody does that) and had fuel discounts as good as any mega carrier out here, sometimes more than a dollar a mile off pump price with no swipe fees.

Until you actually dig into every fine detail you can't make a blanket statement saying 90% here is better than 65% there because more often than not that simply is false. I've only seen one time where it was true. Most of these 90%+/- companies you lease too are in reality paying their leased operators 65-80%...

 

I have seen 90%, then you pick up both cargo and bobtail insurance. Plus trailer rental. That isn't the worst if you run a lot.

 

cargo insurance, tiny elog fees and trailer rental etc do not cost 20% of revenue unless you out of hauling for fuel money rates.

 

Yeah that's what I'm on.
Not giving up an extra 20% just to cover insurance and trailer rental.

The math doesn't add up unless you out here hauling for $1 a mile then it might add up but you'll be broke anyway.

 

You might reach out to @Long FLD, as the company he works with is upper midwest-based. Their stuff always looks nice, rolling down the road, which means they’re probably not starving.

 

Yeah but you're getting all hung up on the 90% and can't see the forest for the trees. That's what those companies count on. That's how double brokers so easily sell their scams. Yeah that stuff doesn't cost much but do you realize what most of these 90% companies are charging back for trailer rental, cargo insurance, bobtail, IRP, IFTA, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc? Those are profit opportunities for the company. They charge double what that stuff costs them. Drivers don't question it because they're getting "90%". There's guys out here paying $300-$500+ a week to rent a dry van trailer and $50 a week for IRP....

 

Say you gross $7000 in a week, at a 70% pay carrier that covers most everything, you're giving up extra $1400 to them vs the 90% pay carrier.

Are you telling me paying the extra insurance, trailer rental and etc costs MORE than the $1400 in this example?

Well I'm at a 90% carrier and already know the answer to this.