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  1. beastr123

    beastr123 Road Train Member

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    That was PCB oil and has been banned since the late 80's there are still 40 year old transformers that have not been serviced because the enviromental agencies in some juridictions would drive you crazy with the precautions today
    They include catch basins, class 3? Suits, scba,double wall containers to a registered disposal site and much more.
    Transformers today that are under 40k weight are shipped wet, any thing bigger is shipped dry with pressurized inert gas to protect from corrosion.
     
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  3. REO6205

    REO6205 Road Train Member

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    That's good to know. I doubt we'll ever have to haul anything like that but it's good to stay up on what's going on.
     
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  4. beastr123

    beastr123 Road Train Member

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    In the late 90's and early 20's we hauled for a local manufacturer of transformers up to 45k and that included rebuilding older units.
    In the late 70's I moved transformers from rail to substations on 42 wheels and 48 wheels and the heaviest was 280k moved 6 miles over gravel roads.
     
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  5. beastr123

    beastr123 Road Train Member

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    IMG_20230906_220428335.jpg
    42 wheels 160k load
    66k mt
     
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  6. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I hauled transformer oil in a tanker to a jobsite for a big transformer at a new apartment complex. Wasn't hazmat.
     
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  7. CAXPT

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    kylefitzy,
    Not to beat a dead horse, <grin>, but to be as thorough as possible and complete, it's also a federal requirement for oversize loads outside of the rails to be flagged/marker lighted per 49 CFR Part 393 Subpart B reference in 393.11, Table 1 and the additional reference legend underneath that table, in particular, H of that list as well as Footnote 9 and it's subsections:

    H. Projecting loads.

    Footnote—9 Any motor vehicle transporting a load which extends more than 102 mm (4 inches) beyond the overall width of the motor vehicle shall be equipped with the following lamps in addition to other required lamps when operated during the hours when headlamps are required to be used.

    (1) The foremost edge of that portion of the load which projects beyond the side of the vehicle shall be marked (at its outermost extremity) with an amber lamp visible from the front and side.

    (2) The rearmost edge of that portion of the load which projects beyond the side of the vehicle shall be marked (at its outermost extremity) with a red lamp visible from the rear and side.

    (3) If the projecting load does not measure more than 914 mm (3 feet) from front to rear, it shall be marked with an amber lamp visible from the front, both sides, and rear, except that if the projection is located at or near the rear it shall be marked by a red lamp visible from front, side, and rear.

    So, as you can see, whether it's listed in a permit directly, or referenced by the regulations/permit, or not even listed at all in the permit, it's still mandated per Federal requirements, regardless of which state it is you're going through. In this case, Tennessee allows for flags during daytime running, rather than the marker lights or in addition to them depending on how you read it, and that's about the only difference, and Texas as well, would be subject to it, and as you saw, later in their documentation, they actually spelled it out. That's the thing with reading regulations, you need to be mindful that there may always be a caveat in reference to another governmental regulation and you need to follow the bouncing ball as you navigate through the labyrinth of rules. :(
    :banghead:
     
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    Gliding ProStar,
    If you do go through there with one, here's a reference I overlooked earlier in my research, that spells it out in pictures for the reading impaired to make sure it's clear. :)
    TDOT OS/OW Warning Lights/Reflectors Diagram . So, the next time someone tries to call you on something they don't know anything about, you can use this reference document. :)
     
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  9. beastr123

    beastr123 Road Train Member

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    The oil used in transformers since the ban on PCBs has been "ecologically safer" but does not absorb/transfer heat as well. The transformers today use larger fins and more oil to do the same job.
     
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  10. Gliding ProStar

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    Haha thanks man. I tend to overdo things and when it comes to OS/OW Loads I always put my signs and flags on and any lights that are necessary. That's just me. I am always legal when oversized and have the proper registration and permits for what I do.

    Good find on the Tennessee OS/OW regulations.
     
  11. jamespmack

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    Mostly only hazmat after it's been in use. New engine oil you can pour on the ground, used engine oil is a hazmat event. Dawn dish soap in a high quantity leaked in to a stream of water becomes hazmat. Enough quantity anything is a hazmat event really.

    My opinion, used transformers with oil during shipment with any quantity is hazmat. Hell used combustion engines with oil are hazmat.
     
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