14 Hour HOS Question

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  1. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    Something to remember is if you go off duty and pause your 14 and then extend your day beyond your original 14 hour limit you must make up the other part of your break in the sleeper. Even if you’ll be parked for a full 10 to reset your clocks you can’t log off duty for the entire 10 hours. You have to complete your split sleeper to be legal.
     
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  3. Barricadebouncer

    Barricadebouncer Light Load Member

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    Thanks Hammer. That clears up the work clock portion of the split. Now that is done I want to move to 11 hour drive clock. I’ll have to do a littler with the math.

    Question # 1
    Drive 3hrs 45 mins
    Sleeper or Off Duty 2 hrs
    Drive 6 hrs
    Sleeper 8 hrs

    Was an 8-2 split completed?

    if not:

    Question #2
    Drive 3hrs 45 mins
    Sleeper 8 hrs
    Drive 6 hrs
    Sleeper or Off Duty 2 hrs

    Was an 8-2 split was completed?

    it is my understanding that in order to complete the split the long portion has to be Sleeper and it must occur before the short portion which can be either Sleeper or Off Duty.

    Question #3
    Since I’m assuming one of the two aforementioned scenarios does in fact complete a split I believe I would get the time driven between the time my Work Day clock began and when the split was completed. In this case that would mean I’d get

    min the example given I would sssume that would 3hrs 45mins. Is this corrrct?

    Thanks again.
     
  4. Barricadebouncer

    Barricadebouncer Light Load Member

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    Yep. I’m aware that a 10 hr break has to be a continuous 10 hour Off Duty and must include at least 8 hours in the sleeper.
     
  5. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    Both of those examples are legal splits. There's nothing that says the long break must come first.


    No. The last 2 duty periods must meet the 11/14 rules. So because you used 6 hours of driving in the prior shift, you'll have 5 hours of driving available, provided there's time available on your 14 clock, which follows the same last 2 periods concept.
     
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  6. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    A 10 hour break requires no sleeper time! He was making the point that if you go home on the long break you have to show sleeper time and not off duty or you will get a violation as soon as you start driving, even if it's after a week off duty.
     
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  7. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    So if you took a split with the short break first, you need to show an offsetting longer break in the sleeper before going off duty. And it could be longer than a week. Keep Trucking, now Motive didn't get that right at first.
     
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  8. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    Correct. I’ve logged sleeper berth in my driveway before and gone out and changed it to off duty once my split was complete. It’s dumb, but I can understand why you must have some sleeper berth time to do a split sleeper.
     
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    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    It took a few minutes to figure why i had a violation on a Monday morning when they fixed that!
     
  10. NightWind

    NightWind Road Train Member

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    https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/hours-service-examples-0
    https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/tags/hos-2020-395-faqs
     
  11. Barricadebouncer

    Barricadebouncer Light Load Member

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    Thanks for all the responses. I have a much clearer understanding of how it all works.
     
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