Signature Series 600 Issue

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by Skinner Aldean, Nov 11, 2024.

  1. Skinner Aldean

    Skinner Aldean Bobtail Member

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    I replaced the vent lines and even went as far and at half fuel level to pop the caps to make extra sure when a friend told me to try it.
     
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  3. Skinner Aldean

    Skinner Aldean Bobtail Member

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    My friend that works on my truck hooked up a line with a glass sight glass on it. Wasn't getting any air like we had originally thought it was with having possibly rotting in the lines allowing air. We went ahead and replaced all new lines from there to be safe and go in cheapest parts for a solution first.
     
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  4. Skinner Aldean

    Skinner Aldean Bobtail Member

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    I have had samples done any everything has checked out fine.
     
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  5. Oxbow

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    I'm going to make myself look silly here, but this is how my mind works (simple)! And I am not familiar with Cummins but yours ought to be similar to a pre-acert cat for the basics maybe.

    Ok, so it takes fuel, air, and timing to make her go.
    1. You have put a clear line or sight glass on the return fuel line and found no air, replaced injectors, replaced hoses from the tanks to the pump (does it have a transfer pump?), replaced/cleaned/opened caps to rule out a vent problem, so you probably have ruled out anything in regard to fuel supply problems. This riddle is based upon the fact that it works well for awhile when ambient is cool, but not long at all when ambient is warm. You have checked oil samples to rule out losing fuel into the oil. You are not gaining pressure in the coolant system, so injector interface with both oil and coolant should be ruled out.
    2. Air - should be no way that this is related to air restriction, bad turbo, or leaking CAC because it runs well when cold.
    3. Timing - again it runs well when cool, so it should not be related to timing or valve problems, unless it is not advancing at whatever rpm you are at @ 55 mph.
    Again, I know nothing about your engine, but it would seem that perhaps there is a sensor that is sending a signal to the ECM regarding fuel pressure (and maybe fuel temperature) that is incorrect and derating the engine. Is there a fuel temp sender on yours? Are you actually losing fuel pressure as in you have checked it with a manual gauge? As many shops as you have had it into that have plugged into your engine a sender problem should have shown itself.

    I'm just talking out my butt here because I don't know crap, but maybe this will trigger a thought by some of the smarter guys.
     
  6. IH9300SBA

    IH9300SBA Road Train Member

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    If I remember, there is a pretty fine mesh screen where the fuel line connects to the engine. We were finding aluminum shavings clogging it on brand new trucks where the fuel tanks were tapped for fittings. Of course, this was 23 years ago, so memory is a little fuzzy.
     
  7. Skinner Aldean

    Skinner Aldean Bobtail Member

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    We have checked and replaced that. Got down the highway 8 miles and light right back on. I was wondering if maybe there was another screen somewhere that the factory put on that people just don't know about until they come across it.
     
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    Skinner Aldean Bobtail Member

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    I appreciate your thinking, pondering and thoughts. I told my buddy when we figure this issue out that we will write a book on it.
    Gauge wise I don't have a fuel pressure gauge or fuel temp gauge in my truck YET and I mean yet because I'm going to install them to help further attempt to narrow down this mystery. I do have a friend with a 1999 Pete tow truck whom had to replace his ECM which was doing sort of what my truck is doing. His would get hot and the truck would shut off and not run until it cooled off over night.
     
  9. jamespmack

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    I ran into the exact same problem back then on new ones.
     
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  10. ElmerFudpucker

    ElmerFudpucker Road Train Member

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    The isx runs extremely hot fuel. It also uses fuel to cool the ecm. In Australia and South Africa they even run fuel coolers. I wonder if you have an issue with the fuel getting hot. I installed an automatic transmission cooler on mine. It did lower the fuel temp by about 20-25 degrees.

    My issue wasn’t fuel pressure loss though. So it’s sort of a wag. I assume you have replaced the supply pump.
     
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  11. Skinner Aldean

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