Find good rates?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by scaferton, Jan 10, 2025.

  1. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    I am going to help you out, park your truck and get a job at McDonald's, work up to being a manager and learn how they figure out how to figure out costs and profit.

    Seriously if you own a truck, you should know down to the penny what it costs to put that truck on the road, DOWN TO THE PENNY!!

    When you know what it costs, then you can do a lot more than just picking off a few "boards" to pick loads, there is a lot of work out there but you won't get to it until you know what it costs you.
     
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  3. nextgentrucker

    nextgentrucker Road Train Member

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    Mannn...
     
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  4. scaferton

    scaferton Bobtail Member

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    My buddy told me I could get good ideas out of chatgpt on figuring out costs and what not. Would it be crazy to use that at a tool to learn or is it trash?
     
  5. bryan21384

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    I remember meeting a girl once. She told me she had 3 kids but had never been ok a date. How did she manage to skip so many steps in dating?

    Now I see this thread and OP is asking how does he know what a good rate is. Many drivers buy a truck, get authority, get insurance(3 kids). How did he manage to skip so many steps in trucking?

    How does one begin a business eyes wide shut? Sure there is a learning curve, but I can't imagine going in completely green.
     
  6. bryan21384

    bryan21384 Road Train Member

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    Yes everything in America costs. No such thing as free. Profit margin is thin in this industry, even when freight is good.
     
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  7. scaferton

    scaferton Bobtail Member

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    I just asked chatgpt for a good way to find out my operating costs for driving a truck. These numbers are all made up but does this look pretty accurate?

    Step 1: Identify Your Fixed and Variable Costs
    1. Fixed Costs (Recurring, regardless of miles driven)
    • Truck Payment: Monthly loan or lease payment for your truck.
    • Insurance: Includes liability, physical damage, and cargo insurance.
    • Permits and Licensing: IRP, IFTA, and other regulatory costs.
    • ELD (Electronic Logging Device): Subscription and equipment costs.
    • Miscellaneous Fixed Costs: Accounting services, parking fees, etc.
    2. Variable Costs (Depend on the miles you drive)
    • Fuel: Calculate your truck's MPG (miles per gallon) and the average cost of fuel.
    • Maintenance and Repairs: Include oil changes, tire replacements, and unexpected repairs.
    • Tolls and Parking: Depending on your routes.
    • Meals and Lodging: Expenses for staying on the road.
    • Driver Salary (if applicable): If you pay yourself a salary or hire a driver.
    • Other Costs: Load fees, broker fees, etc.
    Step 2: Calculate Total Costs
    1. Fixed Costs (Monthly)
    Add all your fixed costs to get a monthly total.

    2. Variable Costs (Per Mile)
    • Estimate your fuel cost per mile: Fuel Cost per Mile=Fuel Price per GallonMiles per Gallon (MPG)\text{Fuel Cost per Mile} = \frac{\text{Fuel Price per Gallon}}{\text{Miles per Gallon (MPG)}}Fuel Cost per Mile=Miles per Gallon (MPG)Fuel Price per Gallon
    • Add estimated maintenance, tolls, and other variable costs per mile.
    3. Total Monthly Cost
    Total Monthly Cost=Fixed Costs+(Variable Cost per Mile×Miles Driven per Month)\text{Total Monthly Cost} = \text{Fixed Costs} + (\text{Variable Cost per Mile} \times \text{Miles Driven per Month})Total Monthly Cost=Fixed Costs+(Variable Cost per Mile×Miles Driven per Month)
    Step 3: Determine Your Break-Even Rate
    Divide your total monthly cost by the total miles you expect to drive:

    Break-Even Rate per Mile=Total Monthly CostMiles Driven per Month\text{Break-Even Rate per Mile} = \frac{\text{Total Monthly Cost}}{\text{Miles Driven per Month}}Break-Even Rate per Mile=Miles Driven per MonthTotal Monthly Cost
    Step 4: Set a Profit Margin
    To ensure profitability, add your desired profit margin to your break-even rate. For example, if your break-even rate is $1.50/mile and you want a 20% profit margin:

    Rate per Mile (Profit)=Break-Even Rate per Mile×(1+Profit Margin Percentage)\text{Rate per Mile (Profit)} = \text{Break-Even Rate per Mile} \times (1 + \text{Profit Margin Percentage})Rate per Mile (Profit)=Break-Even Rate per Mile×(1+Profit Margin Percentage)
    Example Calculation
    Assumptions:
    • Fixed Costs: $2,500/month (truck payment, insurance, permits, etc.)
    • Variable Costs:
      • Fuel: $0.60/mile
      • Maintenance: $0.15/mile
      • Tolls and Miscellaneous: $0.05/mile
      • Total Variable Cost: $0.80/mile
    • Miles Driven per Month: 10,000
    1. Total Monthly Cost:
    Total Monthly Cost=2,500+(0.80×10,000)=2,500+8,000=10,500\text{Total Monthly Cost} = 2,500 + (0.80 \times 10,000) = 2,500 + 8,000 = 10,500Total Monthly Cost=2,500+(0.80×10,000)=2,500+8,000=10,500
    2. Break-Even Rate:
    Break-Even Rate per Mile=10,50010,000=1.05 $/mile\text{Break-Even Rate per Mile} = \frac{10,500}{10,000} = 1.05 \, \text{\$/mile}Break-Even Rate per Mile=10,00010,500=1.05$/mile
    3. Add Profit Margin (20%):
    Rate per Mile (Profit)=1.05×(1+0.20)=1.26 $/mile\text{Rate per Mile (Profit)} = 1.05 \times (1 + 0.20) = 1.26 \, \text{\$/mile}Rate per Mile (Profit)=1.05×(1+0.20)=1.26$/mile
    You would need to charge at least $1.26 per mile to cover your costs and make a 20% profit.
     
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  8. Ruthless

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    So what are YOUR costs?
     
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  9. bryan21384

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    The best tool is to work as a company driver for some years, I'd even say work under an owner operator for a bit of time. Working for a mega, you'll get some idea of the trucking industry functions. If you work for a 1099 company, an owner operator, or a small non reputable fleet, you'll see the dark side or trucking. They will rely on you to develop problem solving ability, learn how to work on your truck, pay attention to costs, and really get to understanding how your truck ebbs and flows. You'll end up learning how to drive your truck not only to get loads somewhere, but how to drive it to save fuel, minimize damages, and get the most miles out of it. You'll learn about IFTA, and other taxes and costs. I worked in that environment for years. I was never an owner operator, but working for a 1099 company or any of the other situations I mentioned earlier, you'll be treated like one. Now I work for a reputable company, and with all that I've learned, I couldn't be a better asset to Climate Express. I don't mean for that to sound self serving, as that aint my nature, I'm only trying to make a point. Anyway I can help to minimize company costs, I'm doing it. It helps everyone working for us. So if you really want to learn, gotta get the hands on experience.
     
  10. scaferton

    scaferton Bobtail Member

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    Thats really helpful advice! Thank you!
     
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  11. scaferton

    scaferton Bobtail Member

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    Im going to plug numbers into this chart this weekend. Just wondered if it looks somewhat right.
     
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