"Never do a buttonhook after you pass your CDL test"

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by expedite_it, Mar 31, 2025.

Do you agree with Knightcrawler that a truck driver should never buttonhook a right hand turn?

  1. I agree with Knightcrawler that after a trucker passes his CDL test, he should never buttonhook.

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  2. I agree with expedite_it that a driver should buttonhook right hand turns onto narrow streets.

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  3. I agree this thread needs to be closed

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  1. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    If you were my driver and you did button hook turns, you would have caused a lot of damage to other things.

    I can't see how anyone could drive like this -

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    Just making your path and making that many turns?

    Really.

    As for Jug handle turned, that's where you get into real problems, first what kind of jug?

    Is it a ceramic jug?

    Glass jug?

    Plastic?

    Is the handle mounted low and you can grab it with your hand or is it a small handle with a hole for a finger?

    It all matters.

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    never heard those terms until driving in NJ, jug handle was called a "Jersey left" and there was an actual separate turning area on your right.

    those terms aren't on the NC manual, they do show pics of those kinds of turns, but don't use that nomenclature

    I just looked at my old one.
     
  4. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    I am 100% sure the definitions are in the 2021-2022 GA Commercial driver's Manual and the 2012 AL Commercial driver's manual. I am reasonably sure that the other states also have these definitions in their Commercial driver's Manuals. A lot can change in 45 years.

    I am using the definitions in commercial drivers manual in the 2025, not 45 years ago. It's the 21st century FFS.
     
  5. rbrtwbstr

    rbrtwbstr Road Train Member

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    I'm not trying to argue with you so don't take this the wrong way but the physics of driving a truck, has not changed in 45 years. And geometry has been around forever and that hasn't changed either
     
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  6. expedite_it

    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    Both jug handles and buttonhooks are technically illegal in every state.
     
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    expedite_it Road Train Member

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    Your post was about nomenclature, not physics.
     
  8. Tb0n3

    Tb0n3 Road Train Member

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    You say that but I have had many occasions where a cop stops traffic behind me to allow me to swing out or backs up from a light or stop bar in order to give me room to swing out the other way. Not once have I ever been ticketed for this. Post the regulations.
     
  9. rbrtwbstr

    rbrtwbstr Road Train Member

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    Whatever you wanna call it, but the simple fact remains that butonhook or jughandle turning is a term invented by some egghead that probably has never sat behind the wheel of a truck. Drivers have been navigating right hand turns since trucks were first built. Some do it better than others obviously. Some get hung up on whatever their instructor or CDL manual says, others just do the job- whatever it takes to do safely, and move on.
     
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    Numb Crusty Curmudgeon

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    WRONG!!

    this site shows an actual "jug handle" turn area.

    Jughandle - Wikipedia

    While jughandles are largely associated with New Jersey,[7][8][9] the states of Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Ohio, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New York, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and Vermont also use jughandles at several intersections. Jughandles are possible in other locations as they are a valid type of intersection control to consider for intersection design.
     
  11. gentleroger

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    Hate to break it to you, but Geometry is changing. Once we can sober up enough physicists we'll be able to make turns using only 2 lanes without hitting anything.
     
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