I know I'm preaching to the choir, but we're all guilty of letting these long waits get out of hand. Waiting without detention is almost as bad as rate cutting. I say almost because I'm as guilty of it as the next guy, but what's a guy to do?
I almost got crucified the other day when I told another driver that I couldn't wait for electronic logs to become mandatory, because that would stop alot of the un-compensated waiting that has become the industry standard. When a driver no longer can fudge his log to make up for a marathon waiting session to load or unload, he'll have to either refuse to wait or demand detention. What do you guys think? Am I just young and naive, or would a seemingly industry crippling mandate (electronic logs) actually help us with the waiting problems we face right now?
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Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by wheathauler, May 31, 2009.
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I don't see the shippers caring enough about the logs to change anything until they can't find any trucks to move anything for them. I dunno if I'd make a good O/O or not because it wouldn't take long for me to get fed up with their crap. I'd charge them detention, bill them for it, and file claims when they didn't pay. Even if they never paid me for it I'd still annoy them at least as much as they annoyed me.
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Its honestly a catch 22, highside. You and I both know that they will come up with some kind of an excuse or a way around paying the detention.
Even this place has figured out a way around detention. When the broker called us today about the wait time, he asked about the time in-time out on the scale ticket. Guess what? There is NO time in on the ticket. The only thing that we have to back up our time in, is the previous unload time from Dumas.
They argued that there was nothing wrong, nothing out of the ordinary. Well, if this is ordinary, then we will not go back. And if more people refuse to go back, then what do they have? Product sold that they can't ship. And thats what needs to happen, but we all know that there are companies/people that will take those loads, so what we do will not effect them. -
Yes, I agree that shippers and receivers will always find a way around detention, but my point is that if a driver couldn't "fix" his log to compensate for that wait, them maybe that's what it would take for more of us to refuse to service the shippers and receivers that repeatedly abuse our time. These companies get away with it because there is ALWAYS some broke **** trucker willing to take that load. I could be wrong, but usually the drivers and/or companies that will sit in a line or hours on end and not balk at it are the same drivers and/or companies that will blatantly falsify logs to "get 'er done."
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Planning is the main issue here, for example if a place knows they can load 2 trucks an hour and are open 8 hours then why do they schedule 24 pick ups that day? i dont know if any of you have dumped DDG or Bean Meal in Elwood, the name of the place is on the tip of my tongue, when they were first come first serve that place was a nightmare
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After delivering our nightmare load, talking to the other end, its the norm. 12 - 14 hours to get loaded at that place. They load 24/7, so they are scheduling and selling loads ahead of time, no two ways about it. That's total BS! We will not go back there. And that is what we told the receiver. When enough guys tell them that, maybe they will get their product somewhere else.
I don't have the answers, but I do know that they need to be held accountable for the time that is wasted sitting. If demand is so high, put in more augers/legs/pits. Stop wasting our time. Just my opinion though. I know I'm preaching to the choir too.dairyman Thanks this. -
If the EOBR is GPS enabled (the only way I'd do it) then we can prove how long we've been sitting there instead of worrying about them clocking in and out (some have the scales in the pit itself). I'm thinking about printing up a simple sheet and asking customers (gate guard, etc) to initial me in when I show up - just to record any wait time and show them I'm watching and keeping track.
The waits I've seen have been as long as 14 to 16 hours in some places. Either they didn't want to stay late and unload me when I got there with more than enough time to unload, or they had "equipment failure". There's been more than once I was tempted to leave them 2 beads in front of their gate and stick the paperwork in the top of it!
With everything going on in DC these days, we're lucky to know what'll happen 5 minutes from now - and that stinks on our end. I've been wearing out the post office and internet to my reps since before I bought my truck - trying to keep the playing field level between myself and the big boys out there. Just the cross border trucking issue alone is enough to scare me some - they want cheap labor and they'll destroy a country to get it! Just look at what's happened to the airline industry......
If you want an eye opener - the movie "Capitalism - a love affair" will really wake you up to how our needs are being ignored more and more. Anyone who dismisses the pile of evidence against us making a decent living every day is deaf, dumb and blind IMO.Big John and bullhaulerswife Thank this. -
In the end, I think it all boils down to the fact that we're all part of a fiercely competitive industry. There can, at times, be MANY of us competing for the same load, and that puts the shipper/receiver at an extreme advantage, and us at, well, you know the rest. I'm a pretty young guy, and I have no plans on leaving this industry, even with it's problems. One thing I am hoping for though, is that when the baby boomers start retiring, there won't be enough new blood to take their places, translating to better income and working conditions for myself. Hey, a man can dream, can't he?
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It's a nice dream. Unfortunately when us old foogies retire there will probably be plenty of Latinos to take our place. I hope I have ten years before I hang it up.
I've been seeing some S&D hoppers from garden city, is that part of the S&D dumps of Wichita?dairyman Thanks this.
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