Retreads are not the problem

I have to admire a guy that lives on the ragged edge!

 

You know there is definately something to be said for that. I could never understand why the brokers who are peddling .76 per mile loads that weigh 48-50K have a list of trucks waiting to go to work for them.

I also love it when one of them wants to act like he is doing me a favor, then gets upset when I turn him down, and then show him I really dont care if some one else takes the load.

I had this happen to me a few times in Montana, guy had what were a few of the only out bound loads for a box van (this was when I was first getting started) And he was moving them dirt cheap, I bounced to Seattle to get a good paying load that took me all the way to Minnesota, never looked back.

It cost me about 175.00 in fuel, I figure I made money by the time you figure what it would have cost me to bounce from Bozeman to Helena, then spend 4 hours waiting to get loaded, then to drive to Seattle, to spend another 2-4 hours getting unloaded, then having to get over to my other load and pick it up.

This way I was sitting at the shipper already backed into a dock, I had dollied down my trailer and poped out from under it, I got to sleep in until they had it loaded, then all I had to do was sign the bills and get busy with it. I was on the road by 10am, and was able to make it all the way back past Bozeman that day.

I have done the same thing out of SoCal when I was pulling a step, all I could find was a partial that I had put on my step, nothing worth touching was poping up, so I bounced to Phoenix and got 2 machines from 2 different places and found myself making over 3.00 a mile.

I will say that what I think it boils down to is the fact that I did not go to trucking school, this is because I think the mentality at the school is they prep you to have the belif that making miles = making money.

I instead feel very lucky because I learned from some old schoolers who had made a good deal of sucsess and money in the trucking business. The funny thing is all I really had to do for them to teach me was to be willing to listen.

 

Yeah we know, your married to your truck

 

Well, yeah but no. It doesn't seem to give me as much trouble as women thats for sure!

Actually I give almost everything I want to get rid of away. All my cars I gave to my brother when we was younger, My first truck I gave to my dad, he just finished paying on it which was about a year. One trailer I gave to my uncle, he just finished paying it off which was only a cpl grand. One trailer I traded in and the other is still sitting down the street.

 

secrets? hell you blow virgin tires before there first cap?

funny i also found a direct quote you heard from the retread advertisements

this part came from the retread advertisements.

[I love the argument of junk caps when people point out all the debris on the side of the road. But when you ask them if the caps they saw had steel belts in them they always say yes. Then you point out that caps don't have steel belts it was the casing that let go they look dumbfounded. Maybe we're just lucky but we buy the tires new]

i can imagine they do look dumbfounded, while they wonder if you actually believe what you just said. anyone who has seen a blow out knows thats just pure bs


now if you can train a bunch of reasearchers to believe that nonsense they would never find a recap.

 

I suspect the reason many people think retreads are a significant problem is because when they fail the tread often separates en masse from the casing. The resulting large debris is more visually compelling.]

agreed en mass rubber is a problem as well as changing tires,

i have to say something seems strange about you reading 300+ pages about something you already knew, and your a little gullible if you actually think i believe you read it, however i have it bookmarked and might take time to read some later.

 

Yes, genius I have had virgin tires blow out just like most people. Does that somehow prove that virgin tires are dangerous? NO, it just points out that it doesn't matter what kind of tire it is they all can have problems.

Please post a link of the retread ad where I supposedly got that quote, I'd love to see it since it's common knowledge that caps don't have cords. I mean if you don't want to believe it that's fine there are still people who believe in bigfoot and they could use your support also.

I guess I should come clean, I just cashed my weekly check from Bandag as I'm sure Les, lostNfound, Tesla4all and a few others on here have done as well. It's the only logical explanation since NO ONE can run caps without problems as you say. Just more truck driver "CB radio ball park facts".

 

breaker one nine for big foot

the first time i read that quote about retreads it was in landline magazine.

i believe they retracted the statement in the next article.

the reason it was retracted is if you buy a retread tire it has steel cords just like the original tire. news flash, they do not dismantle the casing and remove the cords, when a virgin or retread tire blows there will be steel cords showing.

it is true a recap has no cords but niether does the tread it replaced. niether one hold air either, thus it impossible for a recap to blow same goes for original tread.

hire a bunch of college kids to dig through piles of blown tires after you tell them if they see any steel cords it is not a recap and soon you have a report claiming all the blow outs were from new tires. not recaps

there is a reason these studies are being done and that reason is recaps are less reliable than original, some areas are requesting a ban, however as long as the retread company can keep throwing a few misleading common barnyard knowledge statements out there the myth that retreads dont cause road debree might remain.

i never said no one should ever use retreads. if they work in your situation thats great. but if one of your recaps ever explodes you will probably be claiming it couldnt have been a recap i seen cords

 

Your missing the point completely. If you see a tire that the cap failed the casing will still be intact but missing the tread, we haven't had one do that in probably 15yrs. BUT if you see a cap laying on the side of the road with steel belts in it it wasn't the cap that failed it was the casing period. That's the point of the argument, people like to blame the cap 100% of the time when it's almost always the casing that gave way. Same as all the last 2 virgin tires I had fail, the sidewalls were perfect but the tread was missing and had steel belts everywhere. If someone like you saw them you'd swear it was a cap because one took out a trailer mudflap and the other ate a 1/4 fender and only caps do that.

By the way, since you say this can't possibly happen and everyone is full of it, here is one of our trucks sitting on our scales (54k on the drives)........with recaps. Does this daily in all temperatures (It was 85* when I took that pic) at highway speeds hauling steel in Ohio. I can take a picture of the tires with the "bandag" on the side of the tread if you wish, but I could probably drive the truck to your house and you wouldn't believe it.


Now I'm either lying and have thousands of dollars in damage from exploding caps, or.......all of you with cap issues should find a better tire shop and stop wasting money scrapping good casings.

 

roflmao its getting deep, you got the point exactly the way the recap guys want you to believe and then get on the cb computer or whatever and repeat there bs over & over.

maybe you have never seen a recap blow out? the cap is glued to the casing and probably every retread that blows has steel cords stuck to it somewhere. if it dont have cords stuck to it someone really done a piss poor retread job.

you said earlier your virgin tires blew out now you say they just lost there treadi never heard of that happening to virgin tire but who knows if a tire is 20years old or made in china i guess anything is possible.


i think the biggest problem with retreads is the cap building up and or holding in more heat plus the fact the cap is put on a used worn prestressed casing.

if your retread argument is anywhere close to fact that would mean every blow out is a virgin tire and any gator without steel cords stuck to it could also be from a virgin tire and if it has cords stuck to it it was a virgin tire?




shouldnt you be complaining about the high risk drivers who buy new tires?