Prime and a dirty UA???

This my opion only, dont take too heart, but anytime time you do a pee test , the pkgs are sealed up tight in plastic bag, they rip it opean and put all your info on it, period, , if i could not fill it up, i would say just throw it away then, my reqest, okay, say ill come back latter, if you can, wacth them throw it away or discard, how do you know they didnt swicth while you were gone, was this done at clinic or hospital, ect, but these are very touchy places , with 50-67 drivers going thru the doors,i would seek a attorny next, and mayby sue em for ruining your job line, now i've been on the vitiams since the 70's , as my naturaul lifestyle, i tell the clinic and show em my list , now some will set off the bells , so that why i take my list with me, i wish you all the best, have you consider driving local ,theres lots box truck's that dont need a cdl. Everett.

 

I'm not a lawyer but I used to be an employer and part of my job overseeing the companies drug test program. As I recall, you need to keep the sample within sight during the entire procedure. You are allowed...even required I think, to watch the sample as it's being poured off to smaller vials then sealed. You have to initial the vials and the security strips. If the tech left the room with your samples before you signed anything as your decription seems to indicate, then the chain of evidence was broken and the samples are no good. I'd start screaming bloody murder to the Prime safety department and if that gets you nowhere, find out what lab does their work and start in with the medical director there. You might be able to get a free or reduced rate test from the county health department or a free clinic in your area.

PS If it was your time of the month and you were taking anything for that, some OTC meds might cause false positives. Heres a list http://www.ipassedmydrugtest.com/drug_test_faq.asp

 

One more thing...the first thing the tech is supposed to do is take a temperature reading of the sample and it needs to fall in a fairly narrow range near normal body temp. If the sample sat out for 3 hours and he mixed two samples together, there is no way that sample would have been even close to an acceptable temperature. You might have an argument there.

 

Obviously you've got a valid gripe - the employee who took the samples was not following proper procedure. When you went back to complete the test the evidence chain had been broken, but then you initialed the seals to the test samples, yes? Now its going to be a "you said vs. they said" type of deal, with no clear-cut evidence to the contrary. When you initialed the seals, you were legally agreeing that the testing process had been done properly - to go back and raise a fuss over the process now will appear to an outside observer as though you are trying to get around having a tainted sample. I know that sucks, but I'm thinking that's the way its going to play out.

My guess is that probably the only recourse you have through Prime at this point is to have the back-up sample tested. Did that ever happen? If it hasn't been tested, then there is a slight chance you may luck-out with a clean result. I really don't think that the safety department will be able to do much for you, although letting them know that this happened may help someone in the future. I'd hope that safety would pursue this with the supervisor of the employee who took your sample.

You need to contact an attorney ASAP. OOIDA's legal department may be able to help you in that regard themselves or be able to suggest one for you. "fixmyDAC" may be able to help a bit in regard to your DAC report... but only by adding a comment explaining your side of this mess. If you want to drive again you'll need to fight this - everything I've ever "heard" on this subject would lead me to believe that your career is toast at this point.

I'm curious... was the sample taken in the exam room down by the Campus Inn or at driver's lineup? I'll want to avoid wherever this happened myself in case I'm bounced for a random!

In any case good luck, I know this must be excruatingly frustrating for you.

 

Thank's for head's up on prime, was thinking going for them , was drug test done at terminal, or medical clinic, btw i'm in the same boat as you, my little boat is barley above water , the pond right even with the keel,top of my little boat, and try too row faster but no help, cause i gotta wacth my rear as not too tip up too much or my little boat get full of water and i sink fast with no life preserver ,just trying too live anymore and just getting by is tougher as you get older so i just laugh it off and keep my sense of humor ,after all they cant tax you on that yet, Everett.

 

Came back from the main terminal? Procedure error right there!

I've given a sample at lineup a few times. If you can't produce or don't produce enough, procedure is you can't leave the immediate area or it's considered a refusal to test. They'll let you step out to smoke a cigarette but you are in front of glass doors and large glass windows. No excuses to go anywhere else until you produce the sample... Free water machine, coffee, soda machine all right there within steps of the sample room.

Emton can back me up, we were supposed to be in an out with a fuel stop... Inbound was so backed up, they didn't tell us we popped for a random until 5 minutes after we went to the bathroom. Took us over an hour of consuming liquids to come up with our samples. They held the truck in the bay the entire time while we sat in driver lineup. We were not allowed anywhere but the immediate area (within view of dispatchers)

We produced after about an hour. Got in the truck and headed for outbound. We had to go again before leaving outbound ( not for a sample but just because we drank so much liquid). We also stopped at a rest area to go again just outside town on the interstate.

 

Company testing, randoms etc are done at lineup. There is a little room with a small private bathroom just down from the soda machines and coffee machine. One of the dispatchers sits at the little desk there in the small room and conducts the whole deal right there.

He explains everything and both times I've popped random the urine never left my sight until after I signed my two split samples and they were sealed in the sample bag for the lab.

He even explained that since they only use a certain amount for each sample tube, he waited till we had the whole procedure done before having me flush the excess urine from the initial sample cup, because that would require me to go back in the bathroom leaving him alone with the samples.

I guess I got a good guy. He told me if I didn't think I could produce enough, that I shouldn't force it as he'd rather have it all done at once
so he can get back to work or else we'd both be sitting in that room waiting for me to finish.

It don't deny her story, it's just odd that I have given 3 samples now at Prime and each experience has been the same, very thorough... And each person has gone out of their way to inform me what to look for and do in case I ever have to provide a sample out on the road to make sure my rear is covered and prevent some shady or shoddy mistake from happening.

BTW, they also stick a swab tab in your mouth to detect if you have consumed alcohol recently. They didn't do it at orientation, but they've done it overtime I've popped for a random as Ive stepped out of the truck.