Hours of service questions and answers

I'm referring to 'Auditor's comment:

If you can't extend the 14 hours, there would be absolutely no reason to take a split break!
So, like I said:

Auditor says to take the 2 hour break first and the 8 hour break 15 minutes before the 14 ends....I must be missing something, cause it just don't add up!
So, I agree with you, IronPony, but not Auditor.

 

That doesn't say ANYTHING about not extending the 14 hours! :smt017

 

Logs..this is very helpfull to me as a newbe.but I will have to read this
100 more times to grasp it .I have trouble just doing a regular Log.it just never comes out correct.Then I go back and make it work which I know is not the correct thing to do.So if there is anything you can share would be
appreciated,thanks for your direction and the information

 

What's the problem? Be specific and I or others can offer suggestions.
Log it the way you do it, stop driving at 11 hours, don't go over 14 hours...forget about splitting it up until you master the 11 hours on/10 off basics.
I always take the staples out of my logbooks when I buy them and then when I need more time or have to fix a mistake, I just re-write the whole day. I have sat in a truck-stop and re-wrote an entire week to gain a couple hours so I could go home and that only took about 30 minutes. Practice makes....good enough to get by!
At the end I just gave up all that fudgin'. I wrote it the way I did it, and if I drove 3 hours over to find a place to park, and I did, I just logged it. When the office girl said I made a mistake, I said "No I didn't, that's what I did." The worst thing they can do is take me off the road, and that's also the best thing they can do!
Keep the bugs off your bumper and the bears off you tail, we're outta here!

 

My problem is when I take a break or load or unload,the math does not come out correct.I need to mark it as soon as it done I think then I wont have to guess. On breaks do you mark it if its only like 15 min? and does that go off duty not driving or off duty like dinner break?

 

Half of 15 minutes in 7.5 minutes. If you break for 5 minutes, you don't have to change lines on the log. You're supposed to flag it, but it's a gray area. I'm not logging every time I take a leak or grab a soda and sandwich.

If you break for 8 minutes, you log 15. That's how the 15 minute chunks work on paper.

For loading/unloading, if you just bump the dock and don't have to do anything, you log 15 on duty not driving, go climb in the sleeper, and log off duty or sleeper till they're done loading. When they're done, log 15 on duty to secure the load, get paperwork, and all that. Then you're back driving.

What you want to do at the start of the day is note where the 14th hour is from the time you go on duty cause that's where you'll have to stop no matter what. Then as the day goes by watch your drive time. That can't go over 11. If you hit 11 hours driving, you have to stop. If you hit 14 hours from the time you started, you have to stop.

Don't even try to cook the books until you have this down. Nobody expects you as a new driver to be able to fit a 100 hour work week into a 70 hour log book. And nobody can make you do it either.

One thing that will help is to either set the stereo clock or a small dashmount clock to the time at your home terminal. Always log from that clock only. Don't worry about what time it is wherever you are, you'll just confuse yourself.

 

Can anyone tell me if the 11/14 hour rule still apply when your running IFTA and not a log. I'm getting two different stories.

 

If you are running IFTA, it would lead me to believe you are operating across state lines.

If so, you are considered interstate and subject to the 11/14 regulations.

 

So if I drove 9 hours and was loading and unloading for 5 hours.......totaling 14 hours
I have to take a full 10 hour break? I wouldn't be able to use 8 hour break to start again? Is this correct?

 

I used to keep a notebook and write down the time and mileage every time I stopped. It was good practice, and when I needed to make some adjustments later, I knew where I was and when I was there. Of course, if you don't log what's in the notebook, it could be used as evidence for log falsification, so be careful about paper trails. The rules say to mark down every 'change of duty status'. And anything under 7.5 minutes you just run a line and mark the location. So, if you stop to P, there should be an entry. Of course that can get quite tedious. But, if you log every 8 (or 3) minute break as 15 minutes off duty, you can gain some valuable driving time, if you need it. When I have had many stops in a short period, my log started looking like a spider web, or like a chicken ran around on it with ink on his feet! The rules say you can make one entry for multiple stops in a municipality, but I wonder what they would say if they knew I drove 5 hours, then logged 4 hours "on duty not driving" while I made a dozen or more stops (mostly driving) and then logged 5 hours driving after that! Should be legal.
It's really simple; if you're working for the company, you're on duty, period. If you're eating, napping, showering or looking for lizards, you're off duty. (Unless you're hauling lizards and one got away and you're trying to catch it). The rules say that if you are "at readiness for work" you are on duty, so if you're sitting behind the wheel waiting for someone to tell you to pull into the next hole, or if you're rewriting your logbook for 2 hours, you're on duty. Of course, everyone logs it as off duty, that's up to you.
Now, are you more or less confused??