Do you run illegal on your logs?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by LogsRus, Mar 28, 2007.

Do you log a 10 hour break but only stop for 8 hours or close to it?

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    Yes I stop for my full 10, I don't want handcuffs on me

    60.6%
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    I only stop for 8 but I log a 10 hour break

    8.5%
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    I stop for less than 7 hours most of the time

    6.4%
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    I do whatever I feel my body can handle @ the time

    27.1%
  1. notarps4me

    notarps4me Road Train Member

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    You done ran off my new friend.:biggrin_2554:
     
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  3. Hill-a-billy

    Hill-a-billy Light Load Member

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    I have always had a hard time with straight brakes 8 or 10. I don't sleep as much as I use to, and sitting around Truck Stops tends to suck money out of my pocket. I have noticed everyone getting really tight on their logging requirements, and even doing the computer checks. This I don't like. :biggrin_25510: Is it so bad to drive when I am able and to rest when I require it? I have always thought the log book should be tossed out. I do realize there are some people who would abuse the lack of log books. Try and force drivers to cover unrealistic miles per day, or drivers trying to earn twice as much by driving twice as much. Both of these would lead to more deadly accidents on the roads and a greater loss of life, equipment, and freight. So log books are here to stay, well at least until they figure out the computer can tell them everything you did and then they will just have the computer do our logs and tell us how to drive. Oops! The already have paperless logs, and automatic routing!!:biggrin_25525:
     
  4. jamwadmag

    jamwadmag Road Train Member

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    My co. and other big Nat. Carriers will ALL be going paperless sometime in the future---hopefully, I'll be out of the industry by then (14 more months)!! They are driven to because of the massive $$$ litigation from driver accidents and the 'deep pockets' that big carriers have. I'm sure that they are aware that if they go to paperless, deliveries will suffer heavily!!! I know of a couple of Werner O/O's who had to give up their trucks because of the paperless logging and NOT making any $$$!!!:biggrin_2553:
     
  5. CommDriver

    CommDriver Road Train Member

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    And even they are probably not logging legally 100% of the time. I'm sure those who "log legally" sometimes go over a little bit every now and then when there's no parking. And a lot of drivers consider logging the miles, logging legally.

    Let me ask this question.

    What driver here would shut down thirty minutes away from the receiver? Especially if it was a Friday and you were going to have to sit the whole weekend.

    I'm not making an argument to log illegally, but just making a point that the system needs to be changed. Maybe they should put black boxes on the trucks that will automatically shut them down. We would have trucks littering the highways. Maybe that would solve it.

    You better never go over the speed limit in your personal vehicle. If you wreck and kill someone you're going to be put behind bars with all those truckers.

    http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=255942
     
  6. CommDriver

    CommDriver Road Train Member

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    http://www.todaystrucking.com/news.cfm?intDocID=17141&CFID=1942103&CFTOKEN=90728783
     
  7. CommDriver

    CommDriver Road Train Member

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    I'm going to give another example that many drivers run into that makes it impossible to log legally when it does happen. Then I'm going to shut up and get off this.

    You have five hours of driving time left for the day and it is 6pm. Your company sends you to pick up a load and it takes an hour to get there. When you get to the shipper it is 7pm and it takes 4 hours to get loaded.

    So when you finally get loaded, it's 11pm. Now you're out of hours. The shipper does not allow drivers to sleep on their lot so you drive out to the nearest truck stop but it is full. You drive to the next truck stop and it is full. You're now an hour over your legal limit. You finally just pull on to the shoulder of an on-ramp and if you're lucky you won't get woken up by the police or get a ticket.


    Poor trip planning, bad driver. Throw him in jail. :biggrin_25513:
     
  8. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    I feel if a driver was to LOG what he actually did and did not let this happen all the time the 'DOT/Attorney's could help prove it wasn't due to falsifying the log books/violating the HOS intentionally. I mean I am in NO way advocating running illegal on the log book/physically. I am saying do the best you can and if you run over log it the way it happens and write a note. What you want to do is try and prevent this from happening. Eventually (If you stick with one company) learn most of the companies and how long or short they take to load ya. Remember if it is a close shot then ask the customer if you can sleep there and if you can't let them know you are cutting it short can you change the time to allow your 10 hour break. I would let dispatch handle this. The times can be moved many times.

    I just think the USA needs the written law that shippers/consignee's can't allow drivers to leave their property if they need a break. This would solve many of the problems in my opinion.:biggrin_2552:
     
  9. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    I wholeheartedly agree. There needs to be some way found to hold shippers and receivers accountable for some of the delays.
     
  10. CommDriver

    CommDriver Road Train Member

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    Thanks for your understanding LogsRus and Mack E-6.
     
  11. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    I know and I feel bad, but she shouldn't have attacked my fellow drivers in such a manner. She is no "log auditor" she is a data entry person. Log Auditors talk with drivers and teach them or well of course give you all a hard time. LMAO! Now every now and then we will give them a bananna for a job well done. Have you had any bananna's from your auditor lately?:biggrin_25512:
     
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