WIA program might come to an end

"in the coming months, (and i will find links to back this up, LATER), there will be more in the way of requirements (DOT) for ALL wannabe's to go to a driving school.....now, whether or not a ALL trucking companies adhere to that or not will remain to be seen, (as after all ALL COMPANIES MUST HAVE INSURANCE) and i would surmise this would ALSO INCLUDE mom & pop operations.....(to be UNABLE to hire newbies with out schooling) __________________"

I have heard the same from the owner of our local school here in central VT: that in the near future you will only be able to test for a CDL after having attented an approved school. He also thinks there will be a requirement that schools become "accredited" liek a college (he is certified by the state but not "accredited"), AND that the course be of a certain duration. He says 10k is a realistic figure for the future cost of a CDL. This would certainly change things.

 

Interesting,

time will tell.

I know they are working on the final touches of "Driver Training" requirements.

Rerun will most likely have that position as long as he wants it.

Somebody's gotta do it !!!

 

Here in Pa. it was supposed to be for "dislocated" workers. Meaning people who had careers but the industry took s--t. I believe they handed these out like candy early on to people who had no job history. I am currently jumping through the "hoops" required to do this now. The govt. can't run any programs properly.
The housing bubble has popped never to return to what it was. I'm 48 and a period home restoration specialist carpentry, stone,plaster,paint all to "Williamsburg" quality and I have been sitting on my A for almost a yr. now.
If transportation was to collapse there wouldn't be any other industries working,hence my choice in career change. And of course nothing is perfect.

 

The only problem I had when dealing with WIA was the quality of the school I attended. I didn't go for trucking, went for Microsoft MCITP training, and what the school taught and what was on the certification exam were completely different animals.

Basically, the school got the money from the state and didn't teach me crap.

I mentioned it to the Jobs and Family Services station and they didn't want to hear about it.

I no longer wonder why the country is in the financial pickle it is in... the government is completely happy to throw away money on anything and doesn't seem to care what they get in return.

 

Here the program cdl any how have to be "approved" what ever that process is.
None of the mills are on the list. As far as computer or other inds. go I didn't look at them. I do know that these accelerated tech schools are bs been that way for yrs. most people can't learn it that fast and take the courses 2&3 times.
That being said I know a plumber I call plumber dot com he had 3 or 4 microsoft certs. but IT intro pay wasn't close to what he made in his trade at the time 2003-04. The people in the govt. are only there for self gain name in lights and financial mostly. It is NO different than the mafia just legal. Programs are started to get certain groups to vote for them not to help anyone.
I am torn when it comes to asking for a hand-out. I have worked since my early teens. But you have to eat and so does your family.

 

With the WIA funds, schools can afford to be more selective with the individuals that they accept for training due to the number of people interviewed with the school. WIA Agencies establish guidelines for fund dispersal, and the individual school has their own admissions guidelines that coincide with their regulating bodies (accrediting commissions, department of ed., etc...).

Without those funds, these schools won't be able to be selective. They will be forced to accept any student with a check in their hand. Just because they can pay for it on their own without any assistance doesn't mean the quality of this individual will be any higher than an individual who required assistance via WIA.

 

On average, how many prospective students do the driving schools turn away? Are any of those turned away being assisted by WIA?
What is the main reason a driving school denies a prospective student admission?

If a prospective student has the funds to pay for tuition, be it through WIA or their own savings, is it legal for a school to refuse to admit them? On what grounds?
Sounds like a potential law suit for discrimination.

Why wouldn't those schools be able to be selective?
I can understand that there would probably be fewer applicants due to funding problems, and there is a number of attending students that a school must enroll to ensure a profit. Fewer than that number and a school only breaks even, or loses money. If schools are dependent on WIA funds, perhaps they need to wean themselves from that dependency.

Why would a driving school not accept a potential student with a check in their hand? How would a school justify that?
Is it the driving schools job to pre-screen wannaBees?
Even if a wannaBee has multiple DUI convictions and a few speeding citations, why turn them away? As long as it's explained to them that their chances of finding employment are practically impossible, and they still want to spend their money to learn, --- so what?
Let 'em learn. It's a free country.
The rejection for employment should be made by the various Big truck truckin' companies ......... not the driving schools.

It doesn't mean that the quality of the individual will be any lower either.
Logically, if two different individuals applied to attend a driving school, --- with one paying out-of-pocket and the other dependent on WIA for financial assistance, with no out-of-pocket expenses, which potential student would y'all imagine would be most likely to put their all into the course?
The individual who withdrew their own money from their own savings account to pay for tuition, and would lose it all if they didn't make the grade? Or,....................
The individual who invested none of their own money and would lose no money if they failed the course?
Which individual would, most likely, have more incentive to do their best?

When I attended Big truck truck drivin' school, there were several students who received government assistance in the form of a loan that required no repayment. A give-away, of sorts.
The loan was for an amount that included not only the tuition, but also a room at a local motel and a weekly allowance to live on while attending classes. Cash in their hands.
Not a bad deal if y'all ask me.

For an individual strugglin' to make ends meet, who just needs a break to get back on their feet, these various programs can certainly make a difference in an individual's direction in life.
I like to believe that's what the various programs were/are intended to accomplish. No doubt they do. I just wonder how often they succeed?
I have no problem supporting a program designed and implemented to provide temporary, and in some cases, even permanent, assistance for individuals needin' an even break and a hand-up , --- even gives me a warm feelin' to know that's the way America is and many, I think, Americans are.

Where I have a problem is when a program becomes a hand-out for some instead of a hand-up (for all).

I don't know what the criterion is to qualify for WIA assistance, but when I attended training I think I was the only student out of around 40 who paid cash --- in full, up-front. Most were receiving government assistance of some sort, and most graduated.
But there was a group of five or six who had no intention of graduating. Just milk the system when they could, for as long as they could, because they could, until they couldn't.
Four of the six were homeless, -- one of them had a car.
The four of them used that car to drive about ten miles to a Regional Park where they reserved a campsite, by the week, and split the cost, -- around fifteen bucks total, ($3.75 each), maybe less. They lived in a tent and drank the money they saved by not staying at the motel.
Of that group, the only one who showed any promise of graduating, was visited by his hometown detectives, --- who escorted him back up north to answer questions pertaining to the dead human they found locked inside the trunk of his car.

Anyway, .........................
It was cold at night, and they came down with the flu, "or something", and spread it to the rest of us, ...... the ones who did intend to graduate. Pretty rough tryin' to concentrate with watery eyes and a nose runnin', ----- coughin' and sneezin'. Especially when receivin' an award for perfect attendance was a goal.

And then there were the Brothers Hyrum, --- two brothers -- same first name, no middle name, same last name. Called 'em A and B. Hyrum B was obviously not capable of graduating. Hyrum A referred to his brother, Hyrum B, as "manchild", --- claimed Hyrum B was the sperm donor for several children, --- of which he supported none.
Both had trouble passing the DMV test for a Learner's Permit, which we were supposed to have prior to the first day of class. Hyrum A managed to pass, somehow. Hyrum B offered me fifty bucks to take the test for him. I wouldn't, and "B" was history. End of the free ride? Not yet. He remained staying with his brother in the motel.
Hyrum A was about three weeks behind, and holdin' up the progress of those in that group. Ridin' while "A" drove(?) was bouncin' everyone around like ping-pong balls. The potential for whip-lash was high.
Students complained, rightfully so,
and Hyrum A reached the end of the road, and it was back to Los Angeles where he and his other brother, Hyrum, lived on the streets, --- to a warm homecoming, no doubt congratulatin' 'em for beatin' the system, ...................... again.

My problem with that, .......... well, .......... is obvious,..... right?
Individuals receiving monies who don't deserve it, --- and to make matters even worse, can manage to hold up the learnin' process for the other students who are serious.
That right thar just sizzles my bacon...., .............. dad-burnit.

I assume it's against a law and/or politically incorrect to inform anyone that they're just too stupid and/or lazy to receive assistance designed to make motivated individuals into Big truck truck drivers.
Might hurt their feelin's.
Better to ignore what those types might hurt
out on the highways?

I don't recall any of the students who were receiving financial assistance that they were required to repay goofin' off or milkin' a system. I think that's called incentive. -----
Something some who are only lookin' for a hand-out seem to lack, but should be required to have in order to receive any financial assistance.

IMO, the government is too lax in handin' out taxpayer's monies. There are doctors who received financial assistance to get through medical school, --- makin' BIG bucks now-a-daze, --- who have never repaid their loan(s). And they seem to be gettin' away with it. That's what can cause an end to an otherwise beneficial program, at the expense of those who use a program as it was intended.

Lookin' at the bigger picture though, ........ if those who now milk the system were suddenly deemed to be sour -- and their cash-cow dried up, .........................
.................. where would they go and what would they do? They've become dependent on the government for their very survival, from the cradle to the grave.

Hi!
We're from the government. -----> :smt036
We're here to help you. :smt047
Where does it hurt?

 

Ok I checked into this further.. our congress (US) wants to eliminate WIA entirely. Not just for trucking schools, but all professions.. Now whether that will happen is debateable.

WIA has been in affect since either Carter or Reagan and may be tough to get rid off.

 

I thought Clinton created WIA?

 

WIA was created in 1998 according to a quick web search.