What do I NEED? Farm truck/tractor Questions in Texas???

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Glen1978, Feb 19, 2011.

  1. Glen1978

    Glen1978 Bobtail Member

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    I have about pulled all my hair out. I have read and ask questions, talked to the DMV and ask state Troopers.........cant get a straight answer. Here is what I got.

    1988 Freightliner FLD120 tandem truck
    soon to be 20-25 ton fixed neck lowboy, think they weight around 15K
    equipment (dozer weights nearly 20k and excavator around 40K) so around 70K or so gross weight with the hoe on there.

    I want to haul this stuff from farm to farm for example within 150 mile range or prolly way less. My farms, my trucks, my dozers, my excavator.
    I have a Class A CDL with every endorsement minus doubles/trips. My medical card is expired. What all do I need to do this? I want to register the truck as a Texas Farm Truck/Tractor since it is cheaper than Combination plates (50% cheaper to be exact). I also want to register the trailer as a farm trailer. I read the law but cant make a hill of beans of it. Here are my questions.

    1.) Is this too much weight to register as farm truck/tractor? Farm Trailer?
    2.) Do I need my own authority?
    3.) The laws have changed as recently. Do I need Tx DOT and US DOT #'s? Where do I get them?
    4.) Do I need to have truck/trailer inspected each year?
    5.) Do I need a medical card?
    6.) Do I fall under drug/acohol testing policy?
    7.) Do I have to fool with IFTA stuff?

    thanks very much for your help!! Glen
     
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  3. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I don't think you need "authority" to haul your own equipment. Why not re-new your medical card since you have a CDL already ? That way, you're covered if you get stopped. Drug/alcohol testing ? I don't think so. DMV should be able to answer any ???'s pertaining to registration requirements. In Ca., just about any "implement of husbandry" can roll down the back roads in the farm areas. "IOH" (any piece of equipment used in farming).
    You could just start using your equipment without any "permits etc."and see if you get pulled over. You might be so far off in the boonies, only a deputy ever comes around occassionally, and he's your drinkin' buddy, so who cares!
     
  4. Glen1978

    Glen1978 Bobtail Member

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    Well thats what my friends are telling me. Go hook up the trailer and get on down the road then deal with it. Play the dumb farmer part. Problem arises when you get ahold of the wrong diesel bear that a dumb farmer was messing with his old lady and he tears your butt up for everything you got coming. Ive always overthought stuff and made sure I KNEW what the real deal was. If I know right from wrong and still do wrong its my own fault. If I dont know right from wrong and still do wrong its still my fault but for being TOO stupid to find out.
     
  5. Glen1978

    Glen1978 Bobtail Member

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    Ive talked to two people now that say I can register it PRIVATE apportion or something like that. Im not hauling for anyone, I own the whole kit and kaboodle. Any thoughts?
     
  6. twolane

    twolane Medium Load Member

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    1. NO
    2. NO..hauling exempt not for hire UNLESS what you haul is NOT considered farm machinery. Typically, if you own whats on the truck, ya don't need to have "authority" to haul it unless you are "for hire".
    3. YES...,DOT # is free,,,see the DMV for the form.
    4. YES...you can do this yourself. FMCSA says that ANYONE qualified to do this inspection can do it. Head to the truckstop and buy the kit with everything you need. It's in the logbook section.
    5. YES...you have a CDL and are required to have a current medical card.
    6. YES...you have a CDL
    7. Probably,,,unless you run nothing but "farm" fuel. Try USDOT.gov and see what they say. Texas makes their own rules so try TXDOT.com or whatever. Rand commercial; atlases have contact ph.#s for all state authoritys.
    You may have to report the miles you run as "exempt" (farm fuel) and the miles in the state you run as non-exempt. IFTA is also free so see the DMV for it too. It gets complicated from here so I recommend you find a "tax & Licence" service specific to trucks and ask them. Small fee...big rewards.

    EDIT...just read a couple replys above about just playing dumb. Thats BAD advice!
    Get legal and don't worry about it!
    It's EASY and doesn't rely on farmers being considered STUPID by diesel cops. Only stupid farmers are considered stupid & they still get tickets even tho the cop may feel badly while giving it to em!

    OK,,,sorry.....sorta!;)

    As far as an "apportioned" tag goes,,,the only time ya need this is when ya run INTERSTATE. (state to state) If all you typically run is within Texas INTRASTATE (within the state), you only need a Texas baseplate. If ya run to NM for example you will have to buy a permit at the POE. Ya better have an IFTA account and a USDOT # when ya get there or you WILL licence your truck in the state of NM for a year before you leave the port.
     
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2011
  7. Glen1978

    Glen1978 Bobtail Member

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    Thanks, you cant run farm fuel on the road I DO know that. I dont care what it is.....its offroad only.

    What if down the road someone sees me hauling this machinery and I decide to make some money with it.......then what do I need? Still my truck, my trailer, my dozer. Just hauling it over to John Smiths house and digging him a pond.
     
  8. turnanburn

    turnanburn Medium Load Member

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    This can be very frustrating to figure out. I moved to Vt from NY about 8 years ago and am still trying to figure out the exact applicable laws. You can get a different answer from DOT, state police, and DMV, all to the same question. The good news is everyone is nice about it. If you only haul your own equipment from farm to farm property you are not a common or contract carrier. FMCSR 383.3(D) is the applicable federal statute. You can haul in a 150 mile radius. You are exempt from needing a CDL. No authority neccesary. I don't get an IFTA sticker for the farm trucks and go over to NH with no problems (called troopers a while back to verify) Also no DOT #s on the farm trucks. So they say, you don't even need tags on a VT farm truck, and it only needs to be "inspectable" should you get a going over. Always sounded too weird for me so I have Ag plates, a state inspection, and an insurance card all the time. Last time I talked to the DOT guy, I asked him why they have ag plates, but also allow trucks to just go down the road. Answer was something like "good question" Anyways, I just make sure to be legal as possible, and have never got real definitive answers to questions. The problem to remember is you are limited to farm related machinery, feed , supplies and can't haul anything else. Consequently I went and got the CDL, and am putting the PETE to use as a common carrier.
     
  9. Glen1978

    Glen1978 Bobtail Member

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    Yes very frustrating. I talked to a trooper other day who didnt know the answer to my questions and he said he would find out and call me back.....never heard a word. I mean if they dont know how the hell am I? Im just seeing myself making a little money with this stuff. I used to work for a guy that did the very same thing and he did ALOT of public work and used farm tags on all his crap.....never a problem.
     
  10. twolane

    twolane Medium Load Member

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    Glen,Just edited w/ more info...re-read post above and good luck.
     
  11. turnanburn

    turnanburn Medium Load Member

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    Gotta love the good old days! Problem now is nobody can afford to get on the wrong side of legal with this stuff.
     
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