Ok I'll ask what has E-Logs got to do with

"commit perjury to cover long unload/load times"

Perjury? That's lying in court, not on a paper form. Let's back off the drama and cop/crime show jargon for less over-reaction.

People don't list the 4 hours they spent at a shipper because that's 4 hours they can use driving later in the work week. If you don't know that, you're arguing from the wrong side of the fence.

Let's say that all time at a shipper SHOULD be logged as on-duty not driving... but all I did was check in for 5 minutes, then started surfing the net, then I laid down for the rest of the time... knock on the door, here's your paperwork.... say thanks, fire up the truck, and leave, of course, closing the doors.

Can't imagine why anyone in their right mind would log that as on duty time, whether on papper or e-logs, unless they're just stupid, or listened to sa stupid trainer, or a stupid guy in the next booth at the truckstop diner.

 

And all perfectly legal and within the rules.

 

Corrected spelling... I'd just gotten up. Agreed that my description is legal, but many "sky is falling" types would say that we should log the whole 4 hours on line 4 to be legal AND to hold the shipper to account so the government can slam them later for not helping us truckers.

That shipper might have SOME compassion, but generally doesn't, and doesn't care what kind of logs you're on, or where you are in your duty day (14).

 

Nobody cares about the drivers. If you don't take care of yourself rest assured nobody else is going to do it for you. Company is there to make money, shippers just want their stuff moved, consignees just want to get their order. They don't want to take care of you and could care less about you and whatever HOS situation you find yourself in. It's easiest to blame the driver so that is where it gets placed.

 

I wasn't laughing at your spelling... just the irony in your having to correct tazz's post.

 

Oh, sorry - years of working in the legal system.... I know the definition of perjury and it has nothing to do with filling out pieces of paper.

 

Signature/certification. The driver shall certify to the correctness of al entries by signing the form containing the driver's duty status record with his/her legal name or name of record. The driver's signature certifies that al his/her legal name or name of record. The driver's signature certifies that al entries required by this section made by the driver are true and correct.

Or by definition

Per·ju·ry n. pl. per·ju·ries 1. Law The deliberate, willful giving of false, misleading, or incomplete testimony under oath 2. The breach of an oath or promise.


Now since your signature is to certify (affirm) that all entries are true and correct, and as it is admissable as evidence I believe it fits.

Nope not a lawyer, doesn't change the simple fact your lying to cover for other people.

Unless you are paid to unload couldn't agree more about your four hours. The activities you mention are perfectly legal so long as your carrier relieves you of duty while unloading.

 

Under oath is the problem here.

 

Meltom beat me to it."under oath".... and who is someone protecting? Did you read the post, and what the driver did? How is it lying to log 15 minutes for what was done? Or even flag it, since the whole thing took 5 minutes?

 

Maybe tazz recites The Trucker's Code every morning in the mirror.