Cracker Jack box CDL

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by 4wheelJoshua, Aug 2, 2011.

  1. 4wheelJoshua

    4wheelJoshua Light Load Member

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    Thank you all for the explanations and responses, and especially to Roadkill and American-Trucker for answering my question.

    Now say I truly am interested in one of these companies that does happen to offer the CDL training. I was interested in the before I knew they even had a training program because I knew they worked with fresh drivers in getting them their first year of OTR. Is it really anyone's business HOW or WHERE I got the CDL? I mean the CDL whether it came from my own pocket of cash, a community college, the training school, the CDL mill or Captain Crunch box it is essentially the same CDL you all hold right?

    I feel it is the attitude and approach to the field that makes a person a professional driver more than the source of the CDL or what company they have to start driving for. Certainly the company can't make that much of a difference because everyone is screwed their first year no matter what company they drive for I think. No company will pay more than 32cpm to any driver with less than 1 year OTR, most paying in the 25-28 range. Even at that the only companies that will bring on drivers with no experience are all hated by you pros according to this very forum. Am I right?
     
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  3. 4wheelJoshua

    4wheelJoshua Light Load Member

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    Some companies are down to 3-4 weeks of driving with trainer! Insane I know.
     
  4. Marksteven

    Marksteven Road Train Member

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    i personally have no issues with a New driver that Know's he/she is new. I was new too when i started. At 6 months over the road experience i knew Jack Sxxx about driving. this is why i wonder how newbies know everything and cant be told anything. As far as the new breed/image, i think most old timers have issues with new drivers bringing their lazy, nasty filthy self centered lifestyle into this profession that's already on a downward spiral.
     
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    As a future swift trainee I don't think that's very fair. The driver said it was like having 20years exp.... Did he say it was like having 20years of good exp? Lol. I'm thinking about going to swift but I don't pretend to know anything. Besides my recruiter told me after training I will prob get to be on the history channel driving the ice roads. So don't be jealous.
     
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    You think wrong and your numbers are off.


    These companies with schools don't offer the same quality of training as regular cdl schools,


    American Trucker
     
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  7. 4wheelJoshua

    4wheelJoshua Light Load Member

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    Now I am starting to get the frustration I think.
    This I am certain of, yes. I can send my son to Harvard for 2 years @ $80k and he can come home with an associates degree in accounting. I can send my daughter to the local community college for the same amount of time and only $8k and she too will bring home the very same degree in accounting. Does it matter where she got it, it does by price. Is one associates degree of any more intellectual value than the other? Not at all. Is there an ego boost with one? Probably. But both are legit are they not?

    Most of the professionals on the road today got their experience on the road right? Did you all go to trucking school? Not trying to be argumentative, I am honestly just trying to get a grasp on the mentality and reasoning of this group. :)

    As far as the numbers being off you are probably right. But my last statement about the only companies willing to hire drivers with no experience being hated by this forum I don't think I am wrong on that. If I am wrong could someone point to the company that hires new drivers or student drivers and the pros speak highly of, I can't find them.
     
  8. 4wheelJoshua

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    Please don't get me wrong I do understand the difference in the fact that the mills simply get a CDL in your hands and a driving school teaches you how to drive. I have read enough to know the difference in the Mills versus training. Didn't mean to sound arrogant or ignorant along that front.
     
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    I think just the opposite... the "mills" are the revolving door megacompanies... and true initial trainer occurs at good schools, especially community college courses.

    I didn't go to school - I learned the hard way, got my license in 1987 while I was active duty, prepping for a part-time driving job. Knew NOTHING about driving a truck, but 3 days later, I was driving a daycab with a 45 ft flatbed back and forth from Abilene to Ft Worth on the weekends, and a 24 ft tandem axle flatbed a few evenings a week, in residential areas.

    How I never wrecked or broke anything, I don't know.
     
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  10. roadkill4512

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    In my opinion, the training you get at your first job (after you get your CDL) has a bigger influence on what kind of driver you will likely be than what CDL school you go to.

    Of course your attitude and desire to learn and your commitment to safety is paramount. You want to go to a good school but the reality of it they are only training you to pass a test.

    Your preparation for "the real world" really begins once you're paired with a trainer delivering loads, sending messages on the qualcomm, making log book entries and backing into truckstop parking spaces late at night.

    Even so I found that most of what I really learned was what I ascertained after I was on my own. Habits of reading EVERY road sign, scanning the roadway for hazards, mastering different backing techniques and setups for different situations, dealing with snow and ice, being a good planner and managing your hours of service, etc, etc

    Attitude, patience, being alert and a never-ending commitment to safety are the principles that will help you succeed.

    And one last piece of advise: As a general rule don't listen to the crap that is said on the CB. Unfortunately the airwaves these days are often dominated by loudmouth lowlifes that have nothing better to do but stir up crap. Especially in truck stops. I pretty much had my CB off unless I had to communicate with a shipper. The CB used to be a helpful tool for gathering information nowadays for the most part is just noise pollution.
     
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  11. turnanburn

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    So the OP states that all cdls are equal, and all college degrees are equal. Wow. As an employer, if you come to me for a job and say you are qualified, and when I ask where you got the qualifications you tell me it's none of my business(your words:Is it really anyone's business HOW or WHERE I got the CDL?) .... off you go! If I need an accountant, don't you think I might be interested in the individual's background and depth of experience? Experience matters, credentials count. Good employers demand excellence and seek it out. They also don't run businesses with constant turnover (these outfits do exist). You won't be able to make any sense out of the mega carriers and their hiring and training practices because they are FUBAR to the max; plain and simple dysfunction junction. So good luck seeking answers.
     
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