long hood trucks obsolete in 5 yrs or less?

A lot of Landstar, nice light Non cheap freight for the most part

 

As long as there are a fleet of identical ones yes, except no one uses steel.

Correct.

Apparently you do since you keep commenting on it.

Well what's wrong with that argument? No shortage of guys on here claiming the guy with the aero trucks are always getting better fuel mileage or how only the guys with the cheap paid for trucks are the only ones making a profit. This argument only seems far fetched to you because your on the other side of the fence.

There are those of us that DO NOT haul anything unless we make a profit. I don't haul loads to "cover fuel" I don't go anywhere unless I already have a load back or the one going out pays to deadhead home. By doing this I can afford to buy better stuff but I'm sure there are guys that see me and think I'm going broke because I have all W9's and fancy trailers.

I understand it's not a beauty contest, but it only takes a little more to go first class. You don't need a brand spanking new truck to look good, just clean and polish what you have. If your of the mindset that anything shiny is a waste of money fine, but keep in mind there are those that feel a shower or a toothbrush is a waste also. I just happen to like to have a clean shiny truck that keeps a high resale value and is a pleasure to drive and work on. I'll haul the higher priced freight and you keep worrying about how much fuel an external air cleaner is causing someone to burn. This isn't personal, it's to anyone reading this thread that believes what they hear on the radio or the internet on what's "required" to make money.

 

This is why you have no credibility. Your internet ballpark facts won't hold air here. Your guessing that a truck mfg would have to sell around 25,000 per year to justify "the tooling" to make a truck. Keep in mind genius I already pointed out that all the tooling is already made since most of the parts are used on other trucks. The mold for the hood again is already made, in fact there is no shortage of aftermarket companies making the same hood so we're not talking millions to make a hood mold.

Now do you want to know how many class 8 trucks were made? Keep in mind you were guessing 25,000 per year of one model to justify the "tooling".............

Article published March 14, 2011.

In the month of july 2010 all the class 8 MFG's combined only sold 9,589 trucks. At that rate they're going to stop making all trucks since they need to sell 25k of each model per year to make it worth it.

No offense but if ignorance was a form of fuel you'd be worth trillions.

 

Re-sale value is one thing somebody breifly touched on but thats all I ever heard about it.

Look at the price of W900Ls, its ridiculous, they really hold their value.

You dont see many T700 or 587 daycabs coming out do you? or 387 or T2000s?

Bottom line is that there is still demand for the long hoods.

As Mentioned, the W900L is very similar to all of the other trucks except for the T700/T2000. Whats all different between say a W900 and a T800 I dont know exactly, obviously the mounting of the components as the axle is set forward and the cab is back further, but aside from that is the engine mounted the same in a T800 versus a W900 and only the axle and cab placement are different? It would make sense. if thats the case whats a different hood and a few longer or shorter harnesses and such in the grand scheme of things.

KW as a company still seems to be proud of the W900L, calling it every truckers dream. I think they will try to keep it around as long as they can, and then some.

The reason somebody posted the forestry truck is to show that KW will build you what you want. The price of a W900L may go up to continue making them however people will still pay to have one, and until that cycle reaches a peak or the government shuts them down, the long nose trucks are here to stay.

I personally think the Government will end the W900 and not KW.

 

Gee you got me. I mean I admitted before your fact finding mission that I had no idea what that number was. But much like a child with to much time on their hands you completely ignore the substance of the point.

So we (or I will I doubt your capable) will try one last time. Do you agree that when sales of those trucks fall below a certain level they will discontinue them? Or is it your belief they will continue to make those model after market share falls below 3-5%.

Really. Tell me have you seen a 2012 Classic XL? Did you check out the new Marmon for 2013? Possibly the K100?

What do you mean they do not produce them anymore? Oh that is right because they could generate enough sales to justify the line. They new how to build them when they were discontinued. The Classic line hadn't changed in a decade or better why is it gone? Oh that's right nobody bought the #### thing. Kinda like the sales of all long noses are falling huh?



Now for you bs at the end of you post.

Simple minds discuss people.
Average minds discuss events.
Superior minds discuss ideals.

You sure seem bent on discussing people. Coincidence? Probably not huh?


Better keep polishing those trucks you have. They are going away sooner rather than later. I bet the fans of all discontinued trucks thought they would always exist too.

 

No thats not true......OH wait a minute.....you did say most....so you are correct...LOL!!!!!!

 

You and your ideals are completely hopeless. Read 1973w900a's post, at least he gets why KW can still make the W900 even if they only sell a few a year and same for Pete, it's as easy as swapping paint colors. So.....since you thought 25k was the sales numbers required to keep making a model.......care to take a stab at the number of W9's sold?

The only coincidence here is the majority of people who claim to know how everything operates and what's absolutely required to make money (like your warranty debate).........all work for someone else.

 

Sure they will. The market will be gobbled up by Freightliner, International, and Volvo all the while the business people at PACCAR will continue to build what you want one at a time.

Don't care how many. I will make an observation. How many "aero" trucks did Pete and KW build back in the Nineties? Yeah I know you will dig up a number but I would guess maybe 30%.Now they produce how many compared to classical styling? Even the makes you are talking about realize the market has and continues to shift away. The T700 looks more like a Cascadia than a W9. Why did they move to that model. The Market forced them. Hell even the hoods are getting rounder and wider. Most drivers do not want the cramped confines of a classic cab.

Will custom order jobs be available. Sure for a price. I can by a 34 drop top for a price.

Standard offered line? Doubtful.

Hell PACCAR almost has no choice or they will go the way of pontiac, plymouth, white, .
Wasn't it you explaining to me the only glider kit you can get them to produce wasn't the model you wanted? So which is it. Will they make what you want because you want it or not? No they offer the glider that makes business sense to produce. Same as the long noses will go.
If you think they will continue to offer the line for single percentage sales your a fool.





1973 I understand your point but go look at their marketing. Seems they have shifted pushing ttheirT models. Most of the day cabs I am seeing down here are the more rounded type. The ones that look like a cross between an international and a w9.. But most day cabs fuel is not an issue, durability is. A steel body would make more sense. But then again I think for that work Mack still holds the scepter. Volvo may screw that up though.

 

Uhhh, no.... I'm QUESTIONING the comments.

Believe me, I like a pretty truck.... or car.... or ANYthing owned. I like to keep things nice and clean and make them pretty too. And trust me, I'm not bashing anyone who makes their truck look pretty. If you can afford it, it's your dime and your effort... go for it! My point is that it seems as if there are two camps out there. The "You are driving an aero so you don't know squat about trucking and are a company driver" and the "you are wasting money on lights and chrome".

I think if you can afford lights and chrome, go for it, but you can't justify the thought process that those who DON'T have an interest in lights and chrome are "rubes" and just can't find the higher paying freight. I guarantee you there are plenty of O/O's out there, driving ugly aero trucks, with no chrome and nasty paint that are pulling some of those high dollar loads too. The only difference is what they CHOOSE to spend their money on.

I love pretty trucks. I've driven a 379 and just about got WOOD doing it for the short time I did (TMC). But if/when I ever buy my own tractor, my priority will more than likely not be chrome and lights. Thats just me. My cars, on the other hand, will be pretty.



See where I'm going here?

I'll ask the question again: Who gives a rats *** what someone else is driving?

 

They quit producing the Classic XL because it cost the same as a similar spec'd PACCAR unit, but when trade-in/ selling time approached, it was worth less money than the PACCAR unit. doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

COE went away because they were a pain to work on, and worth nothing at trade-in time.

If hoods are going away and no one wants them, why have 2 dealers and a CAT custom engine buildong shop all wanted to buy my truck.(And it's not for sale.)

If PACCAR is in such bad shape, why are they hiring more people to produce trucks, and I sure see alot of new hoods going down the road to dealers to be sold.

Are you mad about the truck you bought because you over paid for it, or it isn't getting the milage you wanted, or that you found out it's worth more stolen than trying to resell it?

Again, as I said, when the T-600 came out, everyone said long hoods were going away, 20 years later, those SAME trucks (hoods) are still being produced. If it hasn't changed in 20 years, what makes you think it's gonna change in the next 5?

Drive what you want, I'm gonna keep driving my 7.66 average mpg, non- emission, CAT 3406E powered 379, you can have all the aero trucks you want.