Why CSA 2010 and E-Logs are a good thing.

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Theophilus, Nov 6, 2011.

  1. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    You can not pay for a right. It is either a right or not.

    All those things you mention are but part of the cost for the privilege. You do not have a right to the road. It is that simple. We commonly agree to combine our need for roads(because individual roads are simply not plausible ) and issue privileges to those that request them after they demonstrate the ability to use thier privilege.
    But here is the secret. You have to ask for the privilege.
    Yeah new regulations are a pain. Thank the next air head you see tailgating a four wheeler, or side swiping a car. Since everyone pays everyone gets a vote.
     
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  3. volvodriver01

    volvodriver01 Road Train Member

    The way you talk sounds to me like your agianst the trucking industry. You seem to like to blame the trucks for causing this and I think alot of the problems we are facing goes to the 4wheelers. Take a moment and think of all the wrecks you've seen and tell us agian who needs to be regulated. JMO
     
  4. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    There you go. The truth about elogs from someone who isn't a cheerleader for them.


    I actually run an "elog" of sorts myself. DDL - driver's daily logs software on my laptop, but it's not tied into my trucks ecm. I run legal on it too. All my fuel stops match perfectly. All my loading and unloading times are, as is. You can even pull up my detailed cell phone bills and compare it to my logs and see that I haven't been texting while driving, how cool is that covering myself..?.. ..if the lawyers ever had the need to look, trying to make an accident that wasn't my fault.. ..mine.


    Another cool thing about DDL is it will show you exactly how to do a split sleeper, which I never understood since they changed that 6 or 7 years ago, so I never did one on paper logs because I was afraid my interpretation of the law would be wrong and it was so #### confusing.. ..and I'm not a tard I just never understood it. Anyways, with DDL I print off the previous day's log, sign it, scan it to a pdf file, and email it in every morning.. I'm not forced to keep driving, if I want a nap I can take one, and still be safe and legal..


    There are better ways. Elogs forcing guys to stay running when they're tired with a company breathing down their necks, whilst hypocritically proclaiming they are a safe company because of elogs... Clueless Congresscritters, Beaureacrats, and empty suit FMCSA officials feeling good and cozy about the mess they don't even know they've created.. What a joke.. a sad one at that
     
  5. Cowmobile

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    For the amount of taxes my truck pays I #### sure do have a right to the road! It's people like you are what's really wrong with this industry...
     
  6. G/MAN

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    A privilege should be given without asking or cost. Using your logic, having a high school diploma or college degree is also a privilege. You pay for both and prove your proficiency through testing, just as you do with your CDL. A privilege can be taken away by the one who gave it. If those are considered a privilege then the government can come and take them away, just as they can your CDL. I earned all of those and since I earned them I consider them to all be an earned right.
     
  7. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    Faulty comparison. A diploma gains you no use of anything. No does it guarantee you anything. And no you do not have a right to one of those either.

    Glad to see you concede the government can suspend or revoke your privilege for use of the roads though. See by your own argument it is a privilege as it can be removed.
     
  8. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    1: Cars are regulated. No not to the degree of trucks but then again they are not out here for profit, and do not log the usage we do.

    2: Yes there probably should be more restrictions on driving privileges across the board from four wheelers to 20 axle super hauls.

    3: Someone elses bad deed does not cancel ours (as an industry). Not one civilian should be harmed or killed through the inaction, negligence, or substandard driving of anyone holding any class CDL. Yes I know people will claim that is impossible. Horse droppings. There are people that go there entire lives and career without having an accident.



    So yes four wheelers can be a problem. What we are discussing is fixing this industry. I am curious though. All, and I do mean all, of you people screaming that the government has no right, in the very next breathe scream they should go get them(the four wheelers). Well gee Sparky that's a tad hypocritical is it not.

    Basically your saying "You don't know ,understand, or have the right to tell me what to do. But go get them other ######## because they are the real problem"

    I guess you believe they only have the right to bother others.
     
  9. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    Your truck can not pay taxes. Sorry it just can not.

    Now yes there are significant costs to conducting your business on a public road.Since I nor anyone else is going to provide you this avenue to conduct your business for free those fees and taxes are expenses for running your business. It does not grant you some right because when you stip paying your privilege to use them is gone. Hopefully your a smart enough business person to pass those expenses on to the customer.


    Funny I think it is people lacking functioning logic centers causing problems in society. Guess wemll see who is right eventually huh?
     
  10. RickG

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    Back in 2006 when Pat Quinn of USX was ATA chairman 11 ATA companies and Road Safe America petitioned NHTSA to mandate 68 m.p.h. speed limiters on all new trucks with a GVWR over 26,000 lbs. . When NHTSA posted a request for comments I posted a comment stating before Pat Quinn started telling all companies how to control speed he'd better learn to control his own drivers . EVERY USX driver I saw in Ohio (which had a 55 m.p.h. speed limit at the time ) was in the left lane passing trucks that were observing the speed limit .
    While NHTSA was still collecting comments USX was audited . They were fined for document falsification and given a poor safety management rating , and an INSPECT rating at the scales .
    Auditors use ProMiles software to check driving times between duty status change locations . If a driver averages 58 m.p.h. through a 55 m.p.h. state the auditor doesn't conclude he was speeding . The driver must have falsified his log because he couldn't reach the second point that quickly going 55 m.p.h. .
     
  11. rollin coal

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    I think it's more, the condescending people, causing problems - politicians, beauracrats, etc...
     
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