Maverick: Want to hear why people are quiting

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  1. gravelhauler

    gravelhauler Medium Load Member

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    So I've doing it wrong all this time????
     
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  3. Krom

    Krom Light Load Member

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    Simple steps to verify an urban legend:

    1) Open driver side window
    2) Stick your left hand out
    3) Let Palm of your hand to face air flow (if you are strong enough), observe "vibrations" of your hand.
    4) Rotate your arm to expose as little as possible of palm surface to air flow, observe vibrations of your hand.
    5) Compare

    Straps are not any different. Twisted straps are greater obstacles to air flow, there is more air pressure on twisted straps, more force trying to blow it off. On the other hand, twisting a strap increased tension on a strap, and that increased tension counter-weigh greater resistance to air flow. Not twisted "flat" strap cuts air as a knife cuts butter (provided there is enough of strap tension).

    Urban strap twisting legend persist because twisting increases tension on a strap in lesser increments than that allowed by a winch. That could be really handy on "easy-to-damage" loads you are afraid to tighten. A trailer is impossible to damage by over-tightening a strap, and twisting does no good.

    As for strap damage, twisting a strap causes not uniform load on strap's fibers, some are overloaded beyond their strength and break causing "fraying". If strap is not twisted, all fibers are uniformly loaded below fiber strength limit, little or no fraying.

    Black, you've made all those megatonne$ in flat-bedding, you sure have $20 to spare, I DARE you to invest $20 for a simple experiment, twist a strap 10 times and jam it with all you've got a couple of times, tell us how it will look.
     
  4. Treefork

    Treefork Road Train Member

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    lol I give up. You're too bullheaded and obviously love arguing for arguments sake.
     
  5. blackw900

    blackw900 The Grandfather of Flatbed

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    You're just a troll....You have to be!

    NOBODY can really be this ignorant!

    Thank you DR. Science!

    Really?

    Really?

    OK proffessor....I wil TRY to explain this to you again even though I'm pretty sure at this point that you're a troll.

    No one is advocating twisting straps 10 times as there is no reason that you'd ever need to do that...If you did do that it wouldn't hurt the strap at all.
    After I remove the tension from strap that I put a twist in on high loads it has always been my experience that they roll up just like they do when they are flat over a load...There is never any unusual stretching or misshapen areas in the strap and therefore there has been no undue stress on the strap.

    Over the years the ONLY times that I have ever frayed or broken a strap is when I had them over a high load with hard edges and failed to put a twist in them.

    Straps only cost $20 at truckstops by the way....I usually get them for about $10 or $12 apiece by the case. I replace my straps at least every other year because they do wear and I don't like to run dirty, ugly equipment.

    Sorry dude but you have no clue what you're talking about here.
     
  6. Krom

    Krom Light Load Member

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    Blackw, you have severe reading comprehension issues, so let's round up our "discussion" since you already lowered it to the "your ignorance is showing" line, as though it prove anything. If you don't have knowledge or simple curiosity to double check your strap twisting/damaging legends. it doesn't affect my life, you believe whatever you want, reality be ###### (I forgot, you creator of your own reality). It does take simple paying attention to straps (on your part) to see that you are ignorant on the matter, but if you don't want to pay attention, don't, it's your straps.

    You continuously overlook me mentioning that I was as "efficient" (or faster) as drivers picking up similar loads, you turn this conversation in "personal" failing crap without having any grounds whatsoever to speculate about my work. You cherry pick loads rather than boldly embracing flat-bedding in all its entirety, you say it's because of revenue, then I guess you pass on short to medium loads requiring some time and efforts to get rolling (yet you are an expert on efficiency, you know the way how to turn loads like that in golden trough), even if you don't pass on a load like that, it may make a financial sense for you to haul a load like that, and it's nothing but butt pain, lots of work and little mileage pay for me. Reminder, it's company driver thread.
     
  7. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    If you were at 3 hours for securement you are far below average.
     
  8. blackw900

    blackw900 The Grandfather of Flatbed

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    I'm not gonna argue with you anymore because you just want to argue for the sake of argument....So I'll put it this way.


    ME...40 years flatbedding and I've done extremely well for myself and have a perfect safety record and have never had a late load or a damage claim....I love my work.

    YOU... 4 years flatbedding and you never quite figured out why you didn't do well and based on all that you've posted here, You're a negative miserable unhappy person who just wants to argue even when it's to no avail....You'll apparently never love your work.


    I'm done with you!
     
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  9. Krom

    Krom Light Load Member

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    did you try to expose your hand to strong airflow as I described or you just bullsshiting to cover your thick head and lack of curiosity?

    Using word "Really", "ignorance", "troll" etc. does NOT prove anything except you being excessively dense to argue semi-intelligently.

    It's NOT a matter of your personal opinion. It's easily verifiable fact. Considering how crappy new "economy" straps are, twisting a strap 4 times will do a Boyd strap in no time. Again, you lack reading comprehension, I used number of 10 twisting for the sake of argument, since damage caused by twisting once or twice is not immediately obvious, it's just accumulates.


    You lack basic "mechanical" knowledge, you cannot argue that lack of knowledge with your anecdotal experiences. You mention that you run straps for a year. That maybe explains it, you tolerance of strap damage is HUGE, and you may not even notice the small damage caused by a couple of twists. Once NM DOT issued me a warning ticket for almost pristine straps they called "frayed" because of tiny stretches of roughening on the surface, I don't even want to guess how many tickets you would accumulate with your 1 year old straps on that night.


    I repeat again, Maverick prohibits strap twisting to save straps. Somehow I would side with Maverick on this issue.
     
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  10. Tardis

    Tardis Light Load Member

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    You are not a Maverick driver so what do you know of their rules? A Maverick driver did post that a twist is allowed. Take a look at your car's antenna or a tall thin smokestack, there are helical ribs running up both to break up the effect of straight-line wind.:biggrin_2551:
     
  11. Krom

    Krom Light Load Member

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    You don't know, you could have taken 6 hours to secure those loads it took me 3 hours, or you could lose that load in a ditch. Let's not argue about "coulds". Usually loads that take 3 hours + to secure are very, very unique and there are no other guys around to clock, just you with your lucky ticket.

    I could only compare myself to other drivers on the standard loads like lumber, shingles, coils, rebar, etc., these don't take 3 hours.

    To be specific, time killing loads:

    Bailed Metal Scrap (especially tarped)
    Process piping of intricate shapes thrown on your trailer randomly and sprinkled with loose junk without any regard to drivers (especially tarped)
    Second hand equipment & junk they just auctioned off after locking the plant down.
    FAK, customer just have miscellaneous junk to ship, it takes time to load, to secure, to unload, to verify. Nightmare.
    Weird construction site loads having little bit of everything in random, poorly thought order (especially tarped), it takes forever to verify a load.
    Tall Electric control boxes of variable heights, machinery (if tarped, can't walk on top, cant reach, straps got to be just in the right spot no matter the wind)

    Multiple coils and stacked metal sheets. If you've been to Majestic Steel in Bedford heights, some (not all) loads from there could be a real 3 hours ###### on top of waiting for hours + they don't allow parking. A real winner load.

    I think it's enough.
     
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