Handing over a Cell phone to LE ?
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Hanadarko, Dec 3, 2011.
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Hanadarko said: ↑Blue Parrot has a brand new headset just released a few weeks ago.
They do not have it on their web side. It's a new improved version
of the Xpressway and simply called Xpress.
Love's is carrying it but its a bit spendy ($115+)..Click to expand...
My Santa likes it when I'm naughty so keeping my fingers crossed.
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BolloxReader said: ↑Here in Indiana, the State Supreme Court ruled recently that you do NOT have the right to refuse any order of law enforcement, regardless of how illegal it is. Your only recourse is to obey every order and then file a lawsuit against the department if the order was improper or illegal.Click to expand...
There is, however, I HUGE difference between refusing an order, and refusing consent. If an office wants to search me, I can, and will, refuse to give my consent. However, I will allow he/she to search me without resisting- that's the important difference. That way, you are politely moving the burden to their shoulders. If they search you without consent and without probable cause, and find nothing, they are in a world of trouble.josh.c Thanks this. -
lostNfound said: ↑I can activate my phone by pressing a button on my bluetooth headset and issue voice commands to the phone. I never have to touch the phone. The same can be said for in-vehicle systems like Ford's sync. Therefore it is a hands-free system and in compliance with any current legislation.Click to expand...
Nope, not hands free.
As you just said you have to push a button. That means it IS NOT hands free.
For the record I think these are ignorant laws and is just over reaching by the gooberments. State/local/feds etc.
How ever................... HANDS FREE............. is HANDS FREE.
Pushing 1 button or 3....... is not HANDS FREE.
If these #### idiots making the laws want to get technical. -
Brickman said: ↑Nope, not hands free.
As you just said you have to push a button. That means it IS NOT hands free.
For the record I think these are ignorant laws and is just over reaching by the gooberments. State/local/feds etc.
How ever................... HANDS FREE............. is HANDS FREE.
Pushing 1 button or 3....... is not HANDS FREE.
If these #### idiots making the laws want to get technical.Click to expand...OutLawRadio Thanks this. -
I need to make a correction on one of my statements earlier. I inferred PC has to exist in order to request permission. This is not what I meant to say. What I was trying to say is, an officer has to demonstrate probable cause existed before requesting permission in order to execute a search after permission was denied. The officer may request permission all he wants, for any or no reason, just because he wants to get to know you. It's up to you whether you will allow a fishing expedition.
3B: I did not have a lawyer. I've been through the academy and can talk to 'em in their own language. -
No Search Warrant,No Phone
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Brickman said: ↑Nope, not hands free.
As you just said you have to push a button. That means it IS NOT hands free.
For the record I think these are ignorant laws and is just over reaching by the gooberments. State/local/feds etc.
How ever................... HANDS FREE............. is HANDS FREE.
Pushing 1 button or 3....... is not HANDS FREE.
If these #### idiots making the laws want to get technical.Click to expand... -
I havent read all the post on this thread but here are my 2 cents as a leo. 1st in 12yrs I have never seen a reason on a traffic stop to ask for someone's cell phone. If there is an accident involved and we suspect the phone was in use and the operator tells us F off you cant look we have to get a warrant to get the records from the carrier. Even in missing persons cases ect we still have to get a warrant the carriers just dont give it up. Just like asking to search your car/truck you can tell them to F' off and they CANNOT search your vehicle UNLESS you have been arrested. If the glove box is locked or anyother compartment is locked they have to have a warrant to enter that area. Another thing people dont no is on a traffic stop you are allowed to refuse to talk or answer questions. It is your right. Hand them your license and anyother documents they request with in the law and dont talk to them, you dont have too. Piss them off, of course, but its your right...
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lostNfound said: ↑Yes the phone is hands free... at no time do I have to touch the phone to make or receive a call. That is, by any and every definition you can find, a hands-free phone.Click to expand...
You're not a truck driver. You are a politician.
The aim of said stupid laws is to make them a hands free operation.
By your own admission its not happening.
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