HOS VS Brains

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by hrdman2luv, Nov 29, 2011.

Do you need the HOS to make you a safe driver?

  1. Yes - I need the government's regulations to tell me when I'm unsafe to drive.

    7.2%
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    No - I know myself and my body better than the government

    83.1%
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    Not sure - I've always ran legal and never thought about it

    10.8%
  1. hrdman2luv

    hrdman2luv Medium Load Member

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    care to show the link? So that we'll know your numbers are true?



    The instance has been many. And heard by many. Everytime a truck driver has been pulled over just because the officer could.



    From your own quote

    Therefore a study of a few, doesn't coincide with the many. A one size fits all, doesn't fit all.. As a matter of fact, this HOS only allows a certain amount of people to actually run safe. The rest of us, find that it endangers us and others, if we comply with the HOS. Or that it is reduces our income. So how can we respectfully go along with any laws that we know makes us and others "unsafe" and reduces our income?


    Are you in favor of prosecuting people who are about to commit a crime? Maybe we should just start having the death penalty for 1 year old kids, because "the gooberment" has done a study that say certain people with certain types of families are going to produce a killer? I know that sounds very extreme. But your talking about punishing people for a "pre-crime". Punishing people who haven't hurt anyone or anyones property.

    Freedom doesn't always have a "good" side.


    The biggest factor involve in this thread, is freedom. The freedom to do what we, as individuals, deem necessary to live and work the way we see fit. And not what the gooberment says. When the HOS were instituted, there was a need to allow the truckers to make more of the decisions, than the ones than their boss's or brokers. But it shouldn't have been handled by the federal government. It should have been handle by the drivers.
    In todays times, we have so many drivers who would tell their boss's to go pound sand if they were ordered to do more than they knew they could personally do. Not to mention the fact that the insurance companies have a huge say-so in the trucking companies safety. After all, if you owned a trucking company, and your dispatchers were pushing your drivers too hard, im sure the insurance company would step in if too many claims were being made by your company.
     
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  3. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    Geez Ellsworth the misinformation just continues to pour from you.


    You can carry in a commercial vehicle.

    Your freedom does not include a right to conduct business on a public road.

    People right here on this very board brag about driving half asleep just so they could keep their job so the self preservation argument is moot.
     
  4. dibstr

    dibstr Road Train Member

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    Certainly... immediately after you show where your 1200 per shift comes from.


    So you believe "Everytime a truck driver has been pulled over just because the officer could" is an example of "police and the politicians the opportunity to say "they are doing something to help make the roads safe for all."


    If you are qualified to dispute these studies please feel free to do so. I'll look forward to reading your paper.


    Actually you don't have to respectfully go along with anything. You can use your liberty and freedom to disobey, and enforcement can use their desire to protect everyone's liberty and freedom to attempt to catch you.


    Regulations do not do this.


    Not hardly. A preventive regulation is not punishment.

    Not always but one good side is that your freedom ends where it interferes with mine.

    If it is the you should have posted this in the political forum. The boss here locks down threads that go in the direction you are trying to take this and I doubt he is a "gooberment" agent trying to take away your freedom.


    And this has to do with HOS regulations how?
     
  5. hrdman2luv

    hrdman2luv Medium Load Member

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    With those restirctions, I suppose you could ask a robber to give you a few minutes to get your gun from one compartment, the ammunition. And another few minutes to unlock the gun and actually load the gun, so you can protect yourself....

    BTW, mr Big Brother lover, if you don't like FREEDOM, Liberty or our second amendment, then why are you still in the USA? There are other countries where people like you, are complacent to the governments rule from cradle to grave.
     
  6. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    Now Ellsworth let's not start the name calling. This is not your little romper room section where you can promote your government insurance while bemoaning public roads.


    You miss the obvious flaw in your post. That regulation covers me and any other legal carrier in a territory without reciprocity for my permit.How ever no where in that law are the words commercial vehicle, commercial driver, or any wording seperating a CDL holder from any other law abiding citizen.

    So again your wrong on that count. Though I am curious how pointing out that I can in fact carry my side arm makes me anti second amendment? Must be more of your circular thinking I suppose.

    Now I assume your mini tirade has to do with me pointing out the fact you have no right to using this road. Sorry it may be a fact you dislike but you simply do not, and you surely do not have the right to conduct business on it. What you have is a granted privilege so long as certain conditions are met.
     
  7. captw900

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    I don't believe that a study group or a bunch of pencil pushers can make regulations from stats that will make roads safer with out looking at real life situations. I would gladly work 5 5 hrs a week for $90k a year no matter how many miles I do with a e log type recorder on my truck with an hour for lunch and an hour for dinner. Just like the office guys and gals. But the companies would loose profits or a loaf if bread and a 6 pack would be $150.00 so what do they want safety or cheap products? I think we know the answer we are all to be under payed slaves.
    Ps I am a well seasons veteran with 20 sum years. I don't think 90k is out of bounds with two tenyear in
     
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  8. dibstr

    dibstr Road Train Member

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    From your post:

    Title 18 Setcion 926(a). The peacable journey law.
    TITLE 18–CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
    PART I–CRIMES
    CHAPTER 44–FIREARMS
    Sec. 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms
    Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or
    regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person
    who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting,
    shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a
    firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully
    possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully
    possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the
    firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being
    transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the
    passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in
    the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s
    compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked
    container other than the glove compartment or console.

    Definition of notwithstanding: in spite of; without being opposed or prevented by:

    So if a state says you can have it loaded and not locked up, you can. Words have meaning!
     
  9. dibstr

    dibstr Road Train Member

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    Perhaps that's why those doing the studies such as the American Academy of Sleep Medicine and the University of California (SD), and the National Sleep foundation do not make regulations.

    As would I.
     
  10. hellomcflywakeup

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    hos laws are about as good as the seatbelt law.....just another way to say you did something wrong so they can rape money from you.it also gives them a door to allow themselfs into your private life as well.
     
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  11. hrdman2luv

    hrdman2luv Medium Load Member

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    You call me "ellsworth", and then say I'm name calling?


    What you've missed, and I assume you don't even mind, that our freedoms and liberties have been taken away for thesake of security.. I can see what side of communism your on..

    No your just lying. I never said you couldn't carry a gun. But under the actual rules, you can't carry it within a distance that accessable to you at all times, while your driving a truck. You can't keep it loaded. And you have to have a lock on it... Then it becomes nothing more than a show peice, and not a protection.

    OIC, the rights that are granted by the government, in which, through my tax $$$, I pay for. But I'm still only "granted" that right...

    Commi much?

    BTW, my little tirade, only pertains to us FREEDOM loving Americans. Not the commi ones.


    PS... Have you seen the polls lately, So far, there are 58 freedom lovers on this board.. I didn't see your name on any of them? Still don't want to take a stand on anything..
     
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