You guys were a great group,Ben.Real pleasure to train. Brad told me he already has a trainer and should be rolling out tommorow..
Best of luck to all you guys and be sure to say hi when you roll into Salt Lake...
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Sorry for your trouble Celtic,but that was as preventable an accident as there is.If you ran over a boulder,that means your tandems didn't clear the turn.You didn't see it because you weren't watching your mirrors/tandems as you completed the turn.If you were,you would have seen the boulder and you wouldn't have hit it..
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I'm now an instructor at TDA.The program works if you apply the methods both TDA and Central teach new students.
I have to disagree with you on that one
I'm pretty impressed with the training offered by the school.Yes,it is a fast paced program.It's designed to get people on the road as quickly and safely as possible and I think we do a pretty good job.By no means are students expected to be seasoned drivers at the end of the program.Neither were you at the end of your program.That's why students go with a trainer (not another rookie) for at least another 200 hours of driving before they are eligible for an upgrade to solo driver status.That usually takes at least a month and a half.Now when you add in the classroom time,and the range time,it's pretty darn close to the amount of training you received many years ago.But,it's more current and it's a fraction of the cost..
And again I have to disagree with this one too. I was a trainer with central it is true thqt there are some good trainers who want to see the student suceed and take pride in teaching them but the majority only want them for the miles and not teaching them all they need to know just enough to try and cover themselves with the training dept. And then you have some that might have barely a year otr training someone new To the industry and you are calling them not a rookie, you have a warped sense of professionaliam also the programs they mandate look good on paper but are seldom enforced you have no clue on what goes on with them once they leave your little fiefdom oh you think you do but you don't. Also most independant training schools do have a job placement like sage. Also no self respected instructor would come on a thread and out a driver over an accident that's just outright unprofessional and any advice you would now give wont hold water. I am by no means a fan of celtic wolf but he did deserve better than that a little professional courtesy but I guess by your actions there is nothing professional at tda just an ex driver with over inflated egos. All drivers in their career are bound to have a bad day but they learn from their mistakes and try not to make them again. I hope you you have an accident so we can point it out to you and see how you would feel. Stick to teaching students what they need to pass to get their cdl and leave the real teaching to us.Lady K and road runner 9630 Thank this. -
It's the hope that the constant repetion will eventually sink in and new drivers will check their mirrors,will maintain a safe following distance,will know where their tandems are and will G.O.A.L.
We say these these things because, if practiced,they do work and go a long way towards preventing PREVENTABLE accidents..
I'm not a big fan of the ''stuff happens'' school of thought.I believe that the chances of ''stuff happening'' greatly decrease when you're paying attention to detail,you apply your training and take common sense precautions.
I never tell students accidents will ''never happen.'' Instead, I try, as best I can, to teach students to avoid them.A good way to avoid them is by practicing The Smith System and always knowing where your tandems are.I'm also a big fan of getting out and looking during challenging backing situations..
I do this because it works and it's kept me out a preventable accident for over million miles.Some accidents are preventable,other aren't..I try to teach them how to avoid the preventable ones.A lot of accidents are preventable.Most of them are if you're paying attention.I encourage students to pay attention.
I have a pet peeve for right turns.Right turns can be dangerous if not done right and can often result in a preventable accident. Just today while running my students in Salt Lake for city driving,one of them had real trouble with two right turns..He didn't set up his turn right and he was not watching his tandems..Good thing I was and was able to stop him before he took out a telephone pole.After the second troublesome turn,I pulled him out of the seat,I jumped in and repeated the same two turns and showed him the right way to do it.I then had him do the same turns again,and he did them without any problem.
What I don't understand about your situation is why you would proceed with a turn if you cant see your tandems? That's basic rookie stuff,and maybe that's why you had an accident.
I don't allow 4 wheelers to drive my truck for me..I wouldn't have allowed a 4 wheeler to get between my trailer and the curb.I would have used a button hook and blocked off his route of approach with the rear of my trailer and prevented him from getting in. Defensive driving ,not aggressive driving.Tight turn you say? Then you take some of the opposing lane to ensure that your tandems will clear the corner or obstacle.
Of course we teach to avoid curbs, for obvious reasons.Are there times where you may have to hit one to make a turn? Sure are, but you aren't taken on a road test where it is.
But I'll put my credentials up against yours any day.I have 11 years to your 9.I have no preventable accidents.No right turn accidents,no backing accidents,no tickets,no log book violations,no failed inspections.You get my drift?
I can hold my own in the worst traffic NYC can throw at me and teach a student how to negotiate it without a scratch on the truck or making pedestrians dive for cover. How about you? Are you putting your years of experience to work to help new drivers become safe drivers? Do you help them out,answer questions or,instead treat them to tales of what a bad ### you are and how you don't give a darn? I hope not.Because drivers like that are a dime a dozen.They bore the hell out me.It takes a lot of patience to deal with rookie drivers.I have the patience.How about you? What do you do to help new drivers?
Maybe one day,if I ever feel the urge to go OTR again,I will become an OTR trainer.Because as you pointed out,not everyone can drive and teach..I can do both.Last edited: Feb 15, 2012
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I didn't think I offended ''Celtic Wolf.'' If I did,I apologize. I thought I was just making an observation.As I pointed out in a previous post ,I wasn't there and neither were you. It seemed to follow a common formula though and as he said himself,it wasn't his first accident..
I'll skim over the rest of your post cause you sound like you're looking for an argument..Not interested..
I will say though,that if you ask anyone who goes through the TDA course,we do constantly remind them that upon completion of the course,they are far from being experienced truckers..That takes time..
It also takes the guidance of an experienced over the road trainer.A fact we don't gloss over.I don't diminish what they do..I only have the students for a week or so.I can't cram my experience into them in that short time.I have a job to to do,and I do it while understanding my limitations with the time I have with them..
That's why I hope my students are sent with a trainer that knows what he/she is doing and can turn out safe drivers during the month and a half they spend together..
But hey,I have absolutely no problem leaving this board..I was only trying to help with questions about the training program,including the important,essential role of OTR trainers..
But don't put words in my mouth..My experience is very recent.I'm not an ''ex driver''.I'd have ZERO problem getting a job tommorow.I know what I'm talking about and can hold my own against you or just about any driver I've met,with few exceptions.
Are there "dud'' trainers,I'd bet you there sure are.I also know they are being weeded out.So,tell us,why don't you train there anymore?
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