Time on pretrip?

what i would do, i would sit on the dock, then get out my checklist and go from bumper too bumper, making notes as too fix , next time in the yard, i always put in the left door pocket, then when i was back at the yard the shop manger knew were too look , becuse i told him, this worked well for both us.but i just put 15 mins for both

 

I just flag my pre trip, not but 3-4 min. I write PT Ins.

 

396.13 noted 5 minutes before i start driving. Anybody ever read who the pre-trip and post trip is for? DRIVEAWAY and TOWAWAY. Drivers on elogs where I work do 3 minutes noting 396.13. My line goes from sleeper to drive on paper.

 

I think you should read 396.11

 

If your e-logs is set up to log by the minute. I can't imagine any driver doing anything work related in less than 1 minute. There fore, everything you do that's "work" related is going to be on-duty not driving if on e-logs. General rule: Log it as you do it. So change your status or make sure your on-duty when you are doing anything work related, when you are done, change your status to the status you are on or take off driving, this will record exactly how long you was doing anything work related.
Ifyour on paper logs, if it takes you less than 15 minutes, you can flag it but you must be on line 3 or 4 (driving or on-duty). I can't be off duty and flag I did a pre-trip for 3 minutes. Anything work related must be recorded as driving or on-duty not driving.

Read q&a # 1: Read where it says
drawing a line from the appropriate on-duty (not driving) or driving line

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regu...fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=395.8&guidence=Y



below is the link to the pre-trip from dot regulations website

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=396.13
You can also read the questions and answers by clicking on the above link and clicking on interpretation.

below is the link for your post-trip inspection

I would log both my pre-trip and post-trip on-duty for the amount of time it actually took me to do it. Droy made some very good points .
DOT does not have anything in the DOT regulations that tell a driver how long to log anything. They simply say you must record your duty status on your daily activity and it must be true and accurate. If you can do a pre-trip in 2 minutes, then so be it, however the eye brow may be raised and they could ask you to do a pre-trip in 2 minutes. It's all in common sense basically, can you fuel your truck in 1 minute. Fueling your truck means: Time waiting in line, time fueling, time paying/waiting in line etc. It's all on-duty.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=396.11

This isn't directed towards you alone, it's for several different comments I read.

 

I don't see how itcould take fifteen minutes to do a pre trip?
Unless you're getting paid ior taking some test.
One thing I don't see mnetioned is I pay special attention to any area
work was recently done to ie; brakes, trans or engine.
I also do a quick light check at all stops, fuel, rest, load and unload.

 

396.13 not 396.11.

 

It takes as long as it takes for him to determine of the truck is safe, in his opinion, to drive down the highway. His boss is comfortable with only showing 15 min.

The law only requires a pre trip inspection and a written post trip report of defects and does not mention how long it should take.

Canada has a written report for both pre and post trip inspections. The DOT said we could use the canadian books the carrier sent down to the US however, we had to use them in their 'intended form and manor' so we quickly got US inspection books so some dilligent trooper wouldn't write us up for not completing the written 'pre trip' portion.

 

I don't see how something so simple gets so screwed up. The FMCSA will not say any inspection should take a certain amount of time. How could it when there's so may different types of set ups with trucks. We have truck and trailers as one unit and if you check all you should it will take at least 15 minutes or more. Then after you do your inspection you sign off on the post trip inspection form that all is either fixed or ok. The post inspection requires a report.

There will always be an argument on how long it should take to inspect the few items that are required. That's because some go further into the inspection than others. You're not going to be able to check all your brake drums for cracks and damage in just a couple of minutes. I want to make sure my brakes are working 100% so I'll do a leak test along with all the other inspection points. That's because I slip seat and do not know what went on before I got into the truck. That doesn't make it right or wrong because the DOT has allowed a major cop out by the wording in the regulation. "The driver is satisfied" can mean all kinds of different answers.

Nice to see LogsRus back.

 

I see a lot of people get hung up on the amount of time it takes.....I can inspect everything on that list in under 15 mins no problem....we aren't talking about a mechanical inspection it is all visual except play in the brakes and steering. You look at something if there is nothing wrong visually move on. Simple.