Question about signing the log at the end,

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  1. KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    of the day. OK, this may be a stupid question, but I have always wondered about it.

    As far as I know myself and everyone else that drives signs their log at the end of the day.

    Here goes; IF you HAVE to sign the log at the end of the day to verify it's correct, then how can you be ticketed in the middle of the day for a log not matching a receipt or not being where yu are suppose to be?

    I know the obvious answer seems simple, but think for a second, IF you HAVE to sign the log at the end of the day to make it legal, then can I assume if it is not signed in the middle of the day you really have not yet signed your name to say this is what I have done.

    Now on the other hand I'm sure that some will say that whatever you put on the log during the day is legal and binding. OK, but IF that IS the case, then why do you HAVE to sign it at the end of the day, isn't it already binding?

    Just so you know I have not gotten a ticket and this has never been a problem, it's just something that I have wondered about while driving down the road.

    Just a point to ponder.
     
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  3. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    Half will tell you to sign it at the beginning of the day, the other half will tell you to sign at end of day. Insofar as the when to sign, I don't that it is specifically spelled out when a driver must sign the page ... just that is must be signed. So I don't see any violation one way or the other regarding the signature (on that day's log)

    To your deeper point, can you be ticketed for an unlawful time entry or such if you haven't yet signed it, it happens all the time. Lack of a signature is not a protection against being cited for making unlawful entries.
     
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  4. stranger

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    I used to draw a line through the part that states the entries are true and correct before I signed the log.
     
  5. Cat sdp

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    How do you sign an e-log?
     
  6. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    you certify it
     
  7. dibstr

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    As you probably know regulatory guidance is generally the rod and enforcable.

    Question 3: If a driver’s record of duty status is not signed, may enforcement action be taken on the current day’s record if it contains false information?

    Guidance: Enforcement action can be taken against the driver even though that record may not be signed. The regulations require the driver to keep the record of duty status current to the time of last change of duty status (whether or not the record has been signed). Also, §395.8(e) states that making false reports shall make the driver and/or the carrier liable to prosecution.

    Question 24: When must a driver complete the signature/certification of the driver’s record of duty status?

    Guidance: In general, the driver must sign the record of duty status immediately after all required entries have been made for the 24-hour period. However, if the driver is driving at the end of the24-hourperiod,he/shemustsign during the next stop. A driver may also sign the record of duty status upon going off duty if he/she expects to remain off duty until the end of the 24-hour period.

    Best regards
     
  8. 48Packard

    48Packard Ol' Two-stop Shag!

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    Our paper logs have two days per sheet, with one place for a signature at the top of the page. Signing the page is the last thing I do before removing it from the book.

    Previously, with single-day pages, I followed the same protocol....signature was last. Never had a problem in over a dozen years. Seems to me that as long as you're obeying the rules as far as keeping your logs current, most LEOs are content with that.
     
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  9. KANSAS TRANSIT

    KANSAS TRANSIT Road Train Member

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    Understand all of your responses, but I think some are missing the point I'm trying to make.

    If you drawing a line on a log at anytime during the day is what you are liable for, WHY is it still ness. to sign it at the end of the day?

    It doesn't make it "more legal" right?

    I know I am nitpicking here, but it just seems odd to me.
     
  10. stranger

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    It's the government. It doesn't have to make sense.
     
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    48Packard Ol' Two-stop Shag!

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    The absolute most true nine consecutive words in the English language!:biggrin_25514:
     
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