Can you cheat an eLog?

There's nothing great about it. It's called having a work ethic. It used to be a common thing. Now it's hard to find in any industry.

I don't have much use for people that spout that even playing field crap.
Lazy people are all for the governments restrictions that lets them be lazy and want EOBR's for everyone else so they don't look bad.

The same thing is happening in schools. The government says the smart kids make the dumb kids "feel" bad, so the government solution is to make everyone a dumb ### and they can all sit around on welfare with a happy face.

 

Somewhere in this thread it was said that cheating on your logs actually helps the trucking company more than the driver. That is a company drivers perspective and I can see how a driver would think that way.

If you have your own truck, it's a whole different ball game. The agents at every company I worked for would soon learn that I would get a load delivered on time with no excuses.

That is when I would start seeing the "hot" loads that paid big money to be there ON TIME. The people with the "I'll get it there when I feel like it" attitude would never be offered those loads.

 

My operating area, generally, is a 500 mile radius of my house, so the fewer miles a day is no big deal. A load a day, delivered the next day, and do it again. Figured out this worked quite well over a decade ago, even before anyone figured out that they could stick an EOBR in every truck. Doesn't seem to hurt me. Over $193,000 in revenue last year. And using an EOBR! Hint: shorter runs pay substantially better than long runs.

I can keep my cost down substantially by NOT running 4500-5000 miles in 5 days. I enjoy keeping more of my money instead of shoving it out the stacks, burning up my tires, and wearing out the equipment faster. My cost per mile to operate is much less and I actually keep more of the revenue than the triple digit desiring crowd. It is not what you make, but what you keep. I average just under 2800 miles a week, am home on weekends/holidays, and take a couple of weeks off a year. And I can enjoy the money I make instead of living in a truck. A truck is just a tool to get a job done, and I don't have to "cheat" my EOBR.

The stricter rules for truckers is there because of 3 things..... the Commerce Clause of the Constitution, the demand of special interest groups including insurance companies, and because the government is always looking for something they can stick a regulation on. Throw in a batch of busy body government workers looking for ways to secure their jobs and spend their budget, and you have a mix that will give you more burdensome regulations.

 

Just talked to an owner op, that grossed $298,000 last year. Of course, he ran hard without a EOBR. Yes shorter runs help. He told me he had $78,000 in fuel costs last year.

Let's see: $289,000-$78,000= $220,000 after fuel. He said he paid himself, $75,000 = $145,000

His new Peterbilt is about payed off and will be this year.... and he's already bought land for a shop to be built next spring.(he will show a loss for 3 years for tax purposes)

Not bad for no EOBR huh?

 

You said it! Thank God I'm not the only one that feels this way.

We have gone from being a nation of doers, to a nation of consumers.

One word comes to mind here, and it's China. When I visited China in the early 90's, I saw a work ethic unlike ANYTHING I've ever seen before, and a mass of people to do it all to boot. We must be careful and wake up as a nation or we will get stomped on....

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we have to be just like China... They are just starting out. With our infrastructure already in place... all we have to do is have a little work ethic and things would be fine.

 

Freehardwoods,

You can't use sound logic and reason on this forum, just wait you'll get blasted. Guess you didn't get the memo...

Oh yeah, then there are the "I'll get it there when I feel like it" attitude company drivers... that will never step into anything but a day cab and they WILL be home every night. They scream about pay thinking they should get as much as the driver with sleepers out all week long. It would be too funny if it wasn't so sad.

 

Blast away. If they can't handle the truth, that's their problem, not mine.

 

your gonna need a BIG 'ol jar of that Relish there homie.....The fed just pulled the plug on EOBRs, gets signed and made official, 05/14/12 see;

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Feds finally hit delete on EOBR regulation
 
By David Tanner, Land Line associate editor
Nine months after a court ruled that FMCSA had more work to do before issuing an electronic on-board recorder mandate and vacated the current rule, the agency is finally moving toward actually rescinding the regulation.
 
Even with the rule being officially vacated as of Monday, May 14, to satisfy the court ruling that favored OOIDA last summer, the administration plans to continue seeking a separate, broader mandate for on-board recorders.
 
The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration issued a final rule in April 2010, which took effect in June 2010, to make electronic on-board recorders, or EOBRs, mandatory for motor carriers with chronic noncompliance with the hours-of-service regulations. The first trucks were to have EOBRs starting in June 2012 according to that rule.
 
OOIDA intervened with a lawsuit in June 2010, saying the administration failed to deal with the fact that EOBRs could be used to harass drivers. In August 2011, the Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit ruled in favor of OOIDA, forcing the administration to vacate the rule based on the harassment issue.
 
The action scheduled to hit the Federal Register on Monday, May 14, is a final rule that announces the EOBR rule being taken off the books. The action is necessary in compliance with the court order and does not include a comment period.
 
Despite the court ruling and the vacation of the “bad actor” EOBR rule, and the fact that the driver harassment issue is still hanging out there, the FMCSA continues to take steps toward a separate rulemaking to make EOBRs mandatory in all heavy commercial motor vehicles.
 
The agency has sought comments during public listening sessions in an attempt to address the driver harassment issue, and truckers and OOIDA members have provided testimony. OOIDA continues to oppose a government mandate for the devices, saying they are no more effective than paper logs in terms of safety and hours-of-service compliance.
 
On another front, Congress is currently working on a multiyear surface transportation bill. At last count, language offered by the Senate still included an industry-wide mandate for EOBRs.
 
OOIDA is urging truckers to call the U.S. representatives and senators who make up the transportation bill committee and oppose the mandate.
 
The White House estimates that government-mandated EOBRs would cost the trucking industry $2 billion to implement, ranking it in the top-seven costliest regulations being undertaken by the administration.
 
See the EOBR timeline for more history on the process and pushback.
 
 
 
Copyright © OOIDA 
 
 
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Gee I wonder if the driver convicted of vehicular homicide for killing a woman on the PA Turnpike had that work ethic your touting. I'll betcha' he "GOT 'ER DONE". Same for the Crete driver who wiped out the generation of a family. The Grocery guy in OK? The O/O who took himself and his two children out in Ohio? Well at least he had the good grace to only harm his own family. Yeppers they got it done alright.

The HOS is there because people like them and possibly you will push beyond their abilities and kill people. Plain and #### simple. Your dispatcher knows you'll risk your life and license and you brag of this fact. people sure do have a twisted version of value. How about getting loads because they get there safely and legally? Nah to #### hard to achieve right?

I'll clue you in to a little secret. I don't give a flying fig newton how hard you work. If your simple enough to work harder instead of smarter I can not help you. If your simple enough to buy into your carrier will not hang your lilly butt out on a flag pole in your first failure there is probably no help for you. You can look at the 12 people deciding your fate and tell them how you got er done. I'm sure they'll be impressed. Oh I know it is never gonna be you huh? I'm sure those examples listed above never thought it was gonna be them either.


Sending your child to a government school is laziness. A Parent is responsible for providing the opportunity for their off spring to learn. Not the taxpayers. The offspring are responsible for educating themselves. Not the tax payers.You simpletons will get on here whining about government interference in operating highways displaying the quality of government eduction you received and intermingle irrelevant BS to bolster a flawed argument.

Fact:One of the limited purposes for government is shared areas where an individual area is unrealistic.

This being roads, standing military, limited representation in international affairs.

You and I building roads individually to utilize however we want is unrealistic.

You and I recruiting,training, and maintaining a standing army is as well.

I am sure the people of Germany do not wish to meet with every single american free man to decide the terms of their surrender(circa 1945).


Yes welfare needs to end, Social Security, Government schools, foreign aid, drug and alcohol enforcement(except pertaining to operating on a public road), drug research, food inspection, price supports for agricultural products, tax exemptions for those huge business' hiding behind some fairy tale doctrine, fiat currency, oversight of medical treatment, oversight of simple tools(firearms), Foodstamps, disability...........................The list is endless of things the government should not be involved in.


Roads are not on the list because there is no logical way to have them without collectively paying for, collectively regulating, and collectively dispensing privileges.