2010 Pete with Cummins isx 550

"FACT: EGR/DPF deletes will void warranties for failures that CAN BE DIRECTLY RELATED to the modification (and not trannys, diffs, radiators, A/C's, or anything like that), which exposes you to potentially large expenses if you suck a valve, throw a rod, crack a head, spin a turbo, etc. And when it comes time to do the repair (and I'm not saying it will ever come to that) - it's up to YOU to prove that it was NOT the fault of the mod - if you want to get your truck out of the shop for FREE."

Agree, somewhat. You don't necessarily have to bring the truck into the dealership to have the part replaced, this is also covered under the MMWA. You could bring the failed component in & take what is "standard hours of labor" to replace that part, I know I have done it with several parts.

 

I'm with you there - but in many cases - for the repair to walk you in and out of the service department - WITHOUT reaching into your wallet - it WILL have to be done at a dealership or manufacturers authorized warranty repair center.

I do 99% of my own work and maintenance on all my vehicles -and that will translate over to my truck (when I acquire one). Not only because it's more COST EFFECTIVE, but because I LIKE turning wrenches on my own stuff (though I HATED doing it for someone else's). No one cares about YOUR STUFF more than YOU DO.

We're kind of beating the dead horse here. Facts are facts, and folks are gonna do what they're gonna do, regardless of the facts. I'm just trying to put the info out there...

Rick

 

It is kind of funny to even think that the manufacture of the engines don't know about these companies that promise all of these magical solutions to their "problems". I have heard of cases where someone did the delete and tune option and then had a failure. Then once the delete and tune was discovered the warrenty was then void. It does happen. There that is my PSA.


Now I still find it kind of hard to think that these companies that peddle these programs are really "help" the engine. They may know a lot, but they do not have the resources of the manufacture to tune an engine. If I owned a truck would I do it? I would say no, but I don't own a truck so the decision is not mine to make.

 

"Now I still find it kind of hard to think that these companies that peddle these programs are really "help" the engine. They may know a lot, but they do not have the resources of the manufacture to tune an engine. If I owned a truck would I do it? I would say no, but I don't own a truck so the decision is not mine to make."


Engine manufacturers design engines to meet EPA standards. Volvo even reduced EGR cycling once they added DEF, because they know EGR isn't good, even though they claimed it was for 07 standards. The whole problem with EGR is the longevity of the components involved in the EGR system. Eliminate them and the problems are gone. If you look into the failure rates of EGR components it makes sense as a O/O to delete them. Spending weeks at a time in a shop for the same failures is far more costly than replacing the components. The only byproduct of deleting EGR is heat & emissions, but heat can be controlled.

 

What I find amusing is all the people saying the deletes are bad news have ZERO experience with them. They don't own one, have never driven one and don't personally know anyone with one. But those of us that do have a completely different opinion of them. I put my money where my mouth is, I didn't spend $5,000 with PDI because I was unsatisfied with the first tuned ECM. There is several fleets around here with modded ECM's one with 40 tuned C13's and another with 129 trucks (mix of Cat, Cummins, Detroit) all are slowly being deleted/tuned as the trucks are in the area. It speaks volumes when someone brings in a 2009 loaded Pete with a 600 ISX that was ordered for a company driver of 15+ yrs to be "fixed" because the driver refuses to drive the POS anymore due to being unreliable. Then the owner picks the truck up and leaves a check for almost $15,000 and is so "disappointed" with the results he brings in 2 more to be done.......what does that tell you? I somewhat understand some of these guys comments since they obviously have no experience with what's done but when they argue about something they don't know about shows complete stupidity. When you do a full delete on an ISX they usually weld the EGR valve shut or block it off, replace the restrictive intake manifold, turn off the VGT in the ECM and replace it with a normal turbo, the DPF is either removed completely or is gutted (your choice) and if the truck is equipped with SCR, the injector is shut off and the urea tank is drained. If you gut the DPF and leave it in place the only mod that's visible is the turbo (which you don't have to replace if you choose not to). They not only pass DOT inspections but they also pass the roadside snap tests in Cali since they DO NOT SMOKE! Another option is to just delete the parts you choose, if you want to keep the turbo just do the DPF/EGR and wait until the turbo dies and you can delete it later. Fuel mileage does improve (sometimes drastically) but the main improvement is power and reliability.

The OP has a few options, he can keep it stock and use what's left of his warranty to replace all the parts he will have to replace. After the warranty has expired he can decide to pay for repairs out of his pocket for the rest of the trucks life ($1000 EGR valves, $4,000 turbos, and $5,000 DPF) or do the delete after it expires as parts die. Or he can eliminate all the headaches now and throw all the junk parts in the scrap pile and have a nice powerful reliable truck which won't need the warranty. I have yet to find anyone who's done the delete on ANY brand of engine that has regretted doing it. This is NOT internet ballpark facts, if you think I'm making stuff up do some research and find someone who's got the same setup as you and ask them personally.

I guess what I'm saying is don't listen to anything Mr.Plumbcrazy says since judging by his post he obviously doesn't have a clue about the topic

 

This thread was about Removing the EGR or blocking it And I bet it will completely void you engine warranty. Tell me how you you gonna prove that it didnt have anything to do with a failed block, I bet they will easily prove it did. Read your warranty if you have one or just a copy. There is all kinds of wording. Yes some thing will slip by cause some shops are not aholes like Central Carolina Truck(maybe cause I p'ed them off) but if you dont do you severices it can void you warranty. I had to show where a overhead was ran on mine with in their time 100K or they wasnt going to cover the injectors. and on a good note I had my mine blocked went by Volvo in Charlotte they wasnt able to get to it that day told me to bring it back the next day and he also told me to remove that plug before I bring it back because if they work on it and find it it will viod the warranty

 

Yep smooth quiet ride good fuel mileage got it at a good price Had it a little over two years the first was bad but that had to do with the shop I was taking it to and the fact that it had sit for about 6 months and I am doing pretty good have put 35K on it since Nov. averaging around $3200 a week as long as I am happy I dont care what you think about volvo the thing about it I cant say I wouldnt buy another volvo

But tell us what did your superior knowledge of all things mechanical have you buy thats sooooooo much better

 

All KW's, all aluminum cabs, higher resale value, none of the Volvo electrical problems. Cat engines (that aren't crammed under the windshields) with a huge parts/service network........

In actuality the only way to double the value of a Volvo is to fill it with fuel.

 

Do you still stand by all these statements? Just curious.