COILS: Chains+straps or just chains?

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  1. Skunk_Truck_2590

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    Although I 'm not longer at Melton, I still use their method of 2 strap's in the first and last 5' of the load then a strap every 5' inbetween. I've only had two types of load's that needed constant tightening and that is lumber and drill casing. Drill casing from ISPCO in Wilder, KY. shifts alot from the metal bands they put on them tied to wooden pipe stake's so I add 4 steel pipe stake's along with them for the extra security but some load's from there are pretty tall so pipe stake's won't help much with the top layer's.
     
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  3. Skunk_Truck_2590

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    Thats the way we were taught and I know, it is a pain in the arse but atleast DOT never hasseled me about anything and I know it wasn't going anywhere even in the event of an accident. Like I said, you can never have to much.
     
  4. Espressolane

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    SHC Where did you get these images from?
     
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  5. CAXPT

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    These look like they are PGT diagrammed securement drawings. At least as I remember seeing them.
     
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  6. CAXPT

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    Actually, have had DOT state they like to see these (straps) on the outside of a tarp, to ensure they're there on shotgun and in good shape. Since I have never been stopped because of it and it (straps) fulfills 393.120(d)(iv) "At least one tiedown attached transversely over the top of the coil; and" (horseshoe) fulfills 393.120(d)(v) "Either blocking or friction mats to prevent longitudinal movement." I haven't changed it. If the Straps are on the outside for them to inspect, I won't have to untarp for them to verify they are in good working condition, if an inspection was to get to that level.

    I ate the gummies, but my method stays the same to save me from madness. :D
     
  7. CAXPT

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    The chains I'm referring to are Grade 70 either 5/16" (4700 lbs WLL) or 3/8" (6600 lbs WLL) chain, and the number used depends on the weight of the piece. Theoretically, you only need to be able to restrain the load under 80% deceleration in the forward direction, and 50% acceleration in rearward and lateral directions. I chain and strap to hold the entire weight of the piece 100% in any of the 3 directions. YMMV
     
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  8. CAXPT

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    Get stopped and inspected your way, you'll have a cargo violation. The regs are quite clear on how the load needs to be "minimally" secured. Don't do that, and they'll nail you for it.

    Per requirements to restrain 80% of the load in a forward direction, you're required minimally to restrain a 26k lbs. coil set suicide to use 20,800 lbs of securement aggregate.

    Using the equipment he tells you he had 4000 lbs chains (I'll assume here he meant 5/16" chains with a WLL of 4700 lbs, and 5/16" binders with a WLL of 5400 lbs), and multiply that by 3 (your count) and you end up with .... 14,100 lbs.

    You're 6,700 lbs under secured. You now have a Cargo Basic violation..."insufficient securement".

    Congratulations.
     
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  9. Les2

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    You are correct, but you're forgetting that you only have to secure half the weight of the coil if memory serves me corrrect? Maybe when I get some time I'll look it up to make sure. I do know that a few years ago I was DOT'd and had a 47k coil on. I had him crawl up in and check the securement. I had 5 chains on, 3 5/16 and 2 3/8 and was legal.
     
  10. sewerman

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    Personally myself I don't care if You want to put 20 chains on their but like it was stated before but put 2 chains on then move out of the way there's other people trying to load.
     
  11. -insert name-

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    Shotgun, I'll out two on it and move. Loaded suicide, I'll do the same. Same with any load, put enough on it so you can move it at 15mph and it won't fall off. Other drivers want their money.
     
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