Question about HOS rules

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Lspilot82, Sep 23, 2012.

  1. Lspilot82

    Lspilot82 Light Load Member

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    Hey guys im hoping someone can answer a couple questions for me real quick. Here's the run down. Started driving around 8am this morning and dead headed about 250 miles to the shipper. I arrived here at 1:35 pm for a appt time of 3:00pm. I've been sitting here since then and here it is 10:15pm and my load is still not ready and I am out of my 14 hours. I've been off duty for 8 hours now. If my load is done prior to being off duty for 10 hours I have to log in duty for securing and tarping correct? Also, I'm already really tired and kinda dont want my 10 hour to be now because ive been up since 6am and I havent had to drive over night since coming to this company. We are solar powered. What should I do? Put myself on duty before my 10 hour break so I have to take another one so I can get some rest? Or if the load isnt done, just suck it up and drive all night, which I am against.
     
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  3. biododge1

    biododge1 Bobtail Member

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    Id send in a detained macro (or call). That will get dispatch to rework the deliver time. if your just sitting there, go lay down. Im sure they will bang on the door soon enough. You got your 8 in, so your clock stopped when you went off duty. So you could leave out when they finish (dont forget that 30min load time) if you wanted and use what hrs you have left. Its a tough call, but if your tired, just take your break-its not worth your life if ya snooze at the wheel
     
  4. Lspilot82

    Lspilot82 Light Load Member

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    They wont bang on the door. I have to keep walking up there and checking every hour or so. Its so retarded. I don't have a delivery time yet anyway. Im going to send in a macro and see what they say.
     
  5. biododge1

    biododge1 Bobtail Member

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    In that case. if you must keep checking, then id take the full 10 AFTER your loaded..Dont let dispatch "suggest" you had a break while waiting. Personaly, id just go to bed now, and sleep. Trust me, when they finish, after a bit someone will want you out of that dock real quick. lol
     
  6. Lspilot82

    Lspilot82 Light Load Member

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    I'm not even in the loading area yet. Im outside the warehouse in a staging area and am waiting on the trailer to get loaded. Right now I'm disconnected from it. Its a long walk to the guard shack...well long enough anyway.
     
  7. Pedigreed Bulldog

    Pedigreed Bulldog Road Train Member

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    If you've been in the sleeper for 8 hours or more, but less than 10 hours, you CAN split the off-duty time. Sign the BOL's, secure and tarp the load, and then you'll have a little time available to legally find a place to take another 2+ hour off duty/sleeper. If that happens to last 10 hours, you're good to go with a fresh 14. If not, then your 14 hour clock would have started when you went on duty to do the paperwork and secure & tarp the load.

    ...or if you're really tired, log the entire time you've been there on line 4 so that once you get your BOLS and have the load secured, you have to take 10 hours off duty/sleeper before you can roll out. Of course that means you are stuck there at the shipper and cannot move the truck...at least since you don't have a delivery appointment yet, that can be scheduled around when you are actually ready to roll out.

    Personally, if I were OTR and had a sleeper on my truck, I'd take the 8 in the sleeper and then secure the load...roll to wherever I'd rather spend the night (or stay at the shipper if they have decent facilities) and then rest for as long as I feel necessary to be safe driving again...and then roll out. If I had a full 10, so be it...if not, I'd work the split until I had the opportunity to take a full 10. In my day cab, though, I'm on line 4 as much as possible to burn through as many hours as I can in 5 days so that I'm guaranteed a full weekend.
     
  8. Lspilot82

    Lspilot82 Light Load Member

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    When I got here I had no clue it would take this long. In fact ive seen a ton of trucks come and go. So there fore I wasnt in the sleeper at all and have been off duty. So techncally I have to sleep 8 hours right on line 2???
     
  9. Lspilot82

    Lspilot82 Light Load Member

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    Well since our company requires us to log and do a post trip, thats what I just did and logged it on duty since thats what the feds say to do. Now I'm going back off duty till my trailer is ready.
     
  10. CondoCruiser

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    You are suppose to utilize your clock the best way you can. I would of tried to of been asleep 4 hours ago. Instead of babysitting the loading have them wake you up. I know it isn't always possible but it's part of trucking.

    Do you have a delivery appointment yet? That's your main concern but don't put yourself in harms way. Usually something like that I would try to sleep prior, then drive as far as I can. If necessary get you a 45 minute-2 hour nap in if time permits with your next 14. It's times like this when log creativity comes in handy because DOT says you are rested when you are not. They don't understand long load times when you are wide awake.

    I would communicate with dispatch and see what they say. Being late is something you want to avoid. But by all means screw them all if you start getting cross eyed. Pull over for a nap. Drivers have different tricks including buying legal stay awake things. Some work, some don't. Times like yours I would buy 2-4 Starbucks Doubleshots in the little 6 oz can sold at most truck stops. The big flavored cans aren't near as potent. They'll keep you up to daybreak and when the sun comes up you'll get your second wind. If you get sleepy, snacking helps for a short time. Sometimes I would get a large cup of ice and nibble on it. Something about chewing on something wakes you back up.

    Know your limits and do your best. I've been off the road almost 2 years now and still have the old messed up driver's sleeping habits. Flatbedders usually have better hours than van/reefer drivers.

    Good luck and stay safe. You'll sleep good when you get there! :)
     
  11. CondoCruiser

    CondoCruiser The Legend

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    Oh they will. That's a reefer drivers trick. They tell you to monitor the CB, blah, blah, blah.

    Shut everything down and they will come get you when they have the bills ready and can't get a hold of you.

    They might not like it or don't want to, but they'll end up giving in.
     
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