DD15 and DD16

I have a DD15 1850 in a 2012 Western Star

The extra cost of the DD16 and the warranty made me decide to go with the DD15.

At first I was really kicking my ### I didn't buy the DD16, the DD15 felt pretty gutless compared to my 3 other trucks with Cat power.

After a year however it seems to have come to life. We pull lowbeds so it is rare that we are pulling identical loads

but we did have a run this summer where we were pulling 7 axle lowbeds with 980H loaders over the same route at the same time, my other truck

a Western star with a stock C16 600/2050, the DD15 pulled neck & neck with the Cat & ended up about 15% less fuel on the trip.

More recently we were running similar loads at the same time, my other truck a 07 Western Star 550 acert/1850, we did a lot of off highway pulling and the DD15

did about 10% better on fuel. The jake is GREAT, holds a lot better than the cats and cab noise is a lot quieter also.

I have never seen it do a regen, maybe because we are working the bag off of it most times? It does seem to use a fair amount of DEF but it's my first truck using

cow piss so I don't have anything to compare with. Overall after a year I am satisfied with it. Ask me again in another year.

 

As of January 2013 it will be detected. That is for Cummins and Detroit both since the Detroit uses the Cummins turbo and exhaust system. They joined together to create a parameter check program that will scan all users registered on DCSN and Insite. If anyone hooked up and is not registered and (here is the big one) if the ECM program shows any version placed that is not done by a dealer or certified shop, your warranty is out the window. I just did a training class for Van Hool (who is introducing a truck next year) and was trained with the new software for both companies. Too many claims to later learn ECM changes were made. They are cracking down and doing it hard. So beware of any future ECM changes.

It shocked me to learn that info. Now you have to verify these shops hooking up have a active license for the software and not a bootleg. Then if ECM changes, they better be an approved shop or you just lost their warranty.

Oh, all registrants will be mailed a certificate in December to post and make visible to the customer so they can verify the registration with expiration dates.

The companies are changing the way us shops will be doing business.

 

Oh, how the software worked, when you hook up it does a full system scan on the truck. It then sends that information to the network and after the check, the tech can move on. It takes about 3 min to do. If there is a change, you get a warning that the ECM has been "footprinted" and a code goes into the ecm. It then loads to the manufacturer and pulls your node id. (that is the esc you are using to connect) It then pulls up all the stamps of who connected and shows what they changed in a special file that gets sent. Then a notice comes up that says "warranty voided" in big letters. The customer who owns the vehicle will then receive a print out of who, what, how, and why of warranty void with a number to call. The customer then has to call the number. The tech can then only pull codes and can't clear them, and truck is in derate mode until owner calls the number and gets a code put in the network to remove the derate.

The high question we asked was how can they derate if vehicle is owned by someone else. Response, they own the proprietary information and the warranty. Therefore, they can derate the same as DEF, CES, DPF, engine protect, etc. Difference is they are derating for mandatory customer notification to protect their proprietary information. I can see the lawsuits already...

 

There will be a way round it everyone thought the cat sdp could not be cracked and look what happend.
Its just time and money something that the big tuning shops have. In some ways they are miles ahead of the manufacturers with online tuning ect.

 

Shaggy , what happens if the warrantee is expired and they see that you have tuned their crappy software ? Does the manufacturer call my mommy ?

 

Dd16 with delete by blackbox install by dealer..over year now spent 25000$ in visits to dealer complaints about no power and couple injector replaced then low pressure pump then high pressure pump..still no power and dyno results 411hp to wheels ..im like y and how but find out ecm was swapped at blackbox install and has dd15 programming so where do we go from here and what damage occured..we haul 88000 kgs so where do we go get the correct set up?

 

You choose a delete, you roll the dice. Hope it was worth it.

 

DD15 was available with up to 560 hp 1850 torque. I had one. Only DD16 goes to 600/2050, I have 600/1850