Ideal Height of Fifth Wheel when hauling Chemicals/Tanker......Your input??

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  1. Dr_Fandango44

    Dr_Fandango44 Road Train Member

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    Good morning guys. I've just signed on with Kenan in their chemical tanker division as an O/O out of Pasadena. TX after spending the last 13 yrs hauling a mix of food grade and Gasoline.
    I just fancied a change and it seems that there could be an issue with the height of my fifth wheel.
    Quite frankly I haven't really experienced this before and after having a chat with some of the guys, it may be that I need to modify/adjust/raise my fifth wheel to
    strike a balance on all of my axles.
    The last thing I need is to roll up to a scale and find out I'm way over weight on my drives and yet, still be under gross. On top of that I'm probably going to
    have an APU installed sooner or later. But that's another issue for later.
    To be honest, I haven't been OTR for a number of years now, but feel it prudent to fix any problems NOW before I head out into the open road and sunset.
    At the moment the height of my fifth wheel is around 47" high and I've been told that it needs to be around 51" to be on the safe side.
    Any constructive feedback on this topic would be appreciated and helpful. I already have a metal work company that can do the work, but at the same time,
    I want to get it right the first time and clear up any misconceptions so I can be in compliance.
    I asked another O/O the other day about his fifth wheel as he had the identical make/model of truck........a Peterbilt 387. His fifth was at 54" which seemed a tad high but what do I know ? But there does seem to be a variance of opinions on this subject. I'm sure there are plenty of chemical haulers out there who can steer
    me in the right direction. And I'm sure they will have a better idea of where the fifth wheel needs to be.
    I have a 2006 Peterbilt 387 with a wheelbase of 235" My tractor has a slightly smaller sleeper, around 63" hence the shorter wheelbase.
    Look forward to your ideas and input. Thank you......
    Good Luck:biggrin_2552::biggrin_25517::biggrin_25510:
     
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  3. Superhauler

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    have a friend that pulls tanker he has a 54" fifth wheel for two reasons product evens out in trailer and product drains out to the rear opening when unloading.
     
  4. Taildragon

    Taildragon Heavy Load Member

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    I didn't read in your post the make of fifthwheel that you are running, and also is it a slider. In 2002 I had a need to raise mine like that and I had a holland fifthwheel. I found out that Holland made three different height legs for my particular model, all the Holland fifthwheels have a stainless tag riveted to the apron just below the top surface, usually on the front corner. I priced around and found out that the truck dealerships around town were rather high in their pricing so I started calling around to the trailer dealerships in town, (Indianapolis), and found that the local Trailmobile dealer had the best pricing around for the higher legs. They were very easy to change and not all that expensive, so price around, a lot of time the last place you think to look is the trailer dealerships for something like that, but they are nearly all dealers for the various fifthwheel manufacturers.
     
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  5. Taildragon

    Taildragon Heavy Load Member

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    You might want to contact the company that you are going to lease to and find out what fifthwheel height they spec their trailers to, before you get to carried away.
     
  6. Excorcist1

    Excorcist1 Light Load Member

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    Yup, cause Schneider has raised and fixed fifth wheels on their FL. But I believed Dana has regular sliders on there Petes but they have different tyypes of trailers.
     
  7. special-k

    special-k Road Train Member

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    I'd go 51" that way it doesn't limit you quite so much pulling something else. My Pete is around 51 and I pulled an asphalt tank it worked out ok. I know some guys that put a hand valve on their suspension to bypass the ride height valve. This allowed them to raise the rear of the truck when stopped. Obviously there is some trial and error involved so you don't break anything but it would help the slope of the trailer when unloading.
     
  8. dannythetrucker

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    I think I'd try it first before getting too concerned about the fifth wheel. take a load to a CAT scale, I don't think 4 inches is going to amount to much more than 500 or 1000 lbs because you are talking about inches in the top of your tank where there isn't much volume to be gained.

    As far as weight it depends alot on your tractor too. If you have a light front axle, you could possibly benefit from the additional weight by sliding your fifth wheel forward and actually be able to haul more.

    As far as unloading, I would imagine that most places are sloped to accommodate rear unloading, I suppose you could carry a few boards to put under your drive tires or fiddle with dumping/raising air bags. But you can definitely try it out and get along okay and make your decision after giving it a go.
     
  9. Allan M

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    I no longer pull tankers and want to drop my fifth wheel height down to 47" or less to pull dry van. I don't know what brand of fifth wheel you have but mine is a Fontaine with the rectangular pegs for locking the slider. It is 49" high on my T2000 with low pro 22.5" tires and is blocked on the back side for pulling either end dumps or tankers. If you have the same brand I would be willing to make a straight trade. I am sitting empty 250 miles away from you in Laredo right now.
     
  10. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    Chem Leaman and Matlack speced their company trucks at 54"...

    The spacing front to rear can also make a difference. I had 12 new trailers w/ the plates set back as they were set up for 16,000# day cabs and were too heavy on my lease operators 21,000# tractors until we removed the front spacer and slid the trailer kingpin plate up.

    Ask the carrier what they want.
     
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  11. Dr_Fandango44

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    Thanks for all of your feedback. You have given me some ideas on how to tackle this issue. I'm sure the fifth wheel I have is a Holland and thus, is a slider of course.
    I've been told by a buddy of mine who hauls for QC that Peterbilt will charge me around $1600 to do the job. That sounds a little high for my taste so I'm going
    to shop around even though I'm sure that a Peterbilt dealer would do a good job. I think I'm going to aim for 51" as this seems to be the consensus and it's not too high for it to cause me problems down the road if I change allegiances. I certainly could just go out and scale it out under a load, as a pointer but I don't want any
    surprises down the road. I like to know where I am with the load and whats what on each axle/axles. I plan to stick with chemicals for the long haul, so I have to surmise that I need to move it up.:biggrin_2551::biggrin_25512:
    Good luck and thanks
     
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