Restricted route(s) questions

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  1. cmc308

    cmc308 Light Load Member

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    I have questions regarding Restricted Routes:

    1. When a route is "Restricted", I assume that to mean there is no scenario where a Motor Carrier may use this (restricted) route?

    2. Are restricted routes normally marked with signage on the road stating "Motor Carrier Restricted Route"? For example I am aware of restricted routes around the Houston, TX area targeting Motor Carriers transporting Hazardous Materials. The restricted routes to which I refer do not show up on maps or other reference sources as restricted? However, these routes are marked by signage stating (HM) through route? Or "All hazardous materials must use" ____________________, route.

    3. With regard to question 2 - "Restricted routes marked with signage" - To the best of my knowledge, I do not recall seeing TX US 67, Winfield to I-30 marked as restricted? However, it is listed in the motor carrier atlas as a motor carrier restricted use road and therefore, I would take that at face value and not use this route. Is this route marked by signage as restricted to motor carrier use? I have no recent knowledge of the signage or lack thereof in this area. I simply use it as an example having traveled past that road before and not seeing indication (signage) of it being restricted. As I recall, the area is a mixed business/residential type affair that divides two major highways. Is the residential factor the reason for the restriction?

    I feel like the answers are obvious, however, I keep finding a reason to be confused. Please advise.
     
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  3. Chinatown

    Chinatown Road Train Member

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    Even seasoned drivers get confused about this. The road you mention may be restricted for certain widths or weights or bridge weights. I've seen a road come to a "T" where you have to turn either right or left and too narrow to turn around. Two signs, to left "no trucks over 35', and to right "no truck route." I've delivered to places where the usual gross weight is right at 80,000 lbs., and the only way to get to the customer is to cross bridges where weight limit is "no trucks over 60,000 lbs." So, the answers are not obvious.
     
  4. Pmracing

    Pmracing Road Train Member

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    The weight restriction signs are usually after the intersection! Hahaaha

    Mikeeee
     
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  5. cmc308

    cmc308 Light Load Member

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    Yeah, it seems to leave room for some confusion. Now that you mention it... I do recall seeing the signs that you speak of on various roads. I can certainly grasp the obvious limitations with CMV's and certain roads due to size/width, bridges, etc...?
    The part that confused me the most is, in the motor carrier atlas, there are only about 7 or 8 Texas roads listed as restricted? I am aware of more "Restricted" roads around my area, as indicated by the signs you spoke of in your reply, however, they do not show up as restricted on the list. On that note, I have seen trans loading operations in areas that are "Restricted", so that explains that? Although, I do still see trucks (CMV's) running these roads to make deliveries? These trucks are not normal P&D trucks, these were big CMV's, flatbeds, with heavy loads? I hate to use the word "assume", but I have no other way to ask the question? So, is it safe to "assume" that, if you must deliver a commodity or product, to an area that has signs you mentioned; it is in fact "accepted" or even legal to do this in order to deliver the products/items? Or, are the restrictions to simply prevent through traffic only?
    I pose the question as it pertains to mixed zoning areas such as mixed business/residential areas... Areas that may otherwise be restricted; allowing travel only to execute necessary business operations.
    As far as the restricted roads listed in the motor carrier atlas? Judging by the roads listed, it would appear that they may be trying to keep CMV's from traveling these roads to simply execute a non stop short cut for various reasons: residential, road surface, bridges, etc...
     
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  6. chompi

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    I would use your Atlas as a general guide. You can also check with your company as to what routes they prefer you to drive. Here is where the big difference in experience comes between company and owner operator. After many years spent on the road as a company driver you will learn most places you can go and can't go. Most freight travels in and out of the same places for the most part. Also depending on what you are hauling ie: flatbed, reefer etc... you will know and become familiar with where the shipper and receivers are. When are starting out as a new driver its good to keep a little notebook as to what shortcuts you have taken and what small roads are ok for travel. I use to section it off by states and roads and if I needed to refresh my memory or remember which little shortcut I took it would be in my notebook. I would also keep track of all kinds of little secret parking places and or stores, restaurants (in my case, emergency vets) and also off the beat scales I could use. A lot of little farming towns and or mining towns have little scales you can use that aren't in any truck guide books. If you are out in the middle of nowhere and run out of hours and there is no rest stops or truck stops you can just check your little book to see where you had previously seen somewhere to park.

    In this day in age there are so many high tech tools and apps and stuff like GPS and Google Earth but sometimes a good ol' fashion notebook is the most efficient. What's really cool is years later you can look back on it as a diary of your adventures! Ya, I know, that sounded corny~~~~!

    Just to add a little side note, you can also ask local drivers but you need to use caution and special judgement when doing so. Some would love to put you into peril for a good laugh and some just plain don't really know and will give you false info unknowingly.

    Use extra caution in states like Idaho!!! If you happen to get off the beaten path or even exit a major interstate it could result in very hefty fines! There are many, many restricted routes in that state. Another place famous for this is Chicago! Don't ever just whip off an exit because you are lost! Not only could you get a big fine but you may find yourself having to make a long back up to get out of a situation! My wife did this twice to me and when she did she expected me to get us out of the situation!

    Good trip planning is crucial to your success!
     
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  7. cmc308

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    I do not think any of that is corny. I quite like the idea and I too will have a notebook! I appreciate the input. And with regard to trip planning? That is precisely why I am asking the question that I have put forth for scrutiny. I am anxious to know how these rules become flexible and rigid, because, rules always seem to become rigid when I enter the picture.... To clarify my attempt at weak humor there... I do not try to see how flexible rules are or can be? I take many things (rules) at face value until I become knowledgeable with the rule or value in question and any acceptations therein.
     
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  8. FwL

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    Ain't that the truth.... seems more often than not you see the sign posted after it's too late to do anything about it.
     
  9. cmc308

    cmc308 Light Load Member

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    Sounds like a future for a rookie. Man I hope I don't do that?
     
  10. Numb

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    I use a real old method that can sometimes help. I call the shipper and receiver and ask the way in,but also check the map. some have automated directions. Our warehouse in Charlotte is a good example. GPS says to turn at first light after exiting. that is a restricted road,homes and a real tight corner. correct way is go to next light and come from other way.
     
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  11. flyingmusician

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    yeash this can be a tough one sometimes.....we have one at a paper plant in philly.....only way in directions say cross the bridge take a left at the first light.....well, the first light has a big sign on the pole "trucks no left turn".....but it's an industrial area and street.....there is NO other way in to the shipper. you have to make the left. makes no sense at all......other than just the turn being so tight and the stop line for opposing traffic on the left being right at the light and not set back for clearance......no way to get there from the other direction either.....one way in one way out...... believe me, you DON'T want to obey the sign and go straight......2/10 of a mile in the street goes to one lane and a 9% straight up grade......hardcore residential with cars on the sides and it just gets tighter and tighter and the trees get lower and lower.....had to stop in traffic and slide the tandems up just to make the turns to get turned around and headed back down the hill and towards the shipper and then had to deal with the right turn around the light pole where i should have made the left.....

    found that one out the hard way. if i didn't get a call in after THAT excursion up the hill into the nieghborhood beating my trailer to death with the trees, i never will lol.....

    the u-turn i had to make in traffic to extricate myself from that situation was just as fun but at least i found a little business with just enough of a parking lot and just enough of a hole in traffic to get it done....as someone brilliantly said on here once, the urgency of the situation dictates the urgency of the maneuver lol.....

    i even checked the google maps before going in but of course it didn't show the 'no left' sign......after that i follow the company directions no matter what the signs or gps says.......until you always get that one that says 'no directions avaiable for the customer of this stop' lol.....
     
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