Leasing at Prime

Discussion in 'Prime' started by ironpony, Jun 25, 2012.

  1. Chessguy

    Chessguy Light Load Member

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    Both IP and SE have posted on this thread numerous money saving strategies. Heck, if I were them, I would compile them in an ebook along with their spreadsheets and sell it. I should get it for free, though, since I suggested it. lol
     
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  3. silenteagle

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    You just have to forward your $10 to my paypal account and you can have it.....:biggrin_25525:
     
  4. Doulos

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    I hesitate to answer for IP since he speaks so eloquently for himself, but this is a rather basic question I believe. Analysis of profit and loss in any business is essential for several reasons. In this case by tracking your numbers you can recognize just where any excess losses or income setbacks came in. This allows you to adapt to any incidental issues that might arise and perhaps more importantly to recognize any trends that may affect your ability to be successful and take action before its too late.

    One major issue that effects business is cash flow. Over the long term a business plan might be able to be successful, but due to a failure in cash flow your funds may dry up and cause you to fail in the short term. This is also one reason why it is highly advised to have a reserve fund to get you through such times. If you don't analyze your numbers you won't know if you have such a cash flow issue in which it is appropriate to draw on your reserve or if you have a chronic flaw that will simply eat through your reserve and still leave you broke. Those who are most successful in business are those who tend to be able to see the future most clearly.
     
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  5. socal

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    As I understand it, the only control over revenue the driver has is Fuel.Everything else is set in stone. So what is there to analyze. Drive Super slow to save fuel and wait to see what your dispatch gives you and hope it all works out. No use analyzing someone elses decision when you have to do it like it or not.
     
  6. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    You certainly don't "have to do it like it or not." A few examples...

    Loads: I can turn down any load that doesn't make sense for me to run. That being said, you go down to the bottom of the queue once you do that so that no one driver can sit at the top cherry-picking loads. OTOH, my Fleet Manager also has some say in this along with where my driver rating is at. My FM is also my business partner in this system... if I'm successful, he's financially better off.

    Maintenance: You can choose not to use Prime's shops, or do your own maintenance in certain areas. PMs are something that you either have to produce a receipt for, or have an arrangement with the Road Assist (RA) folks. I choose to use ThermoKing for my APU maintenance, since our guys aren't always the best choice for breakdowns - saves money to go to TK once instead of our shops twice.

    Tires: Same sort of choice here as well... you are certainly welcome to go buy some Chinese junk tires at Joes Cheap Imported Fuel Guzzling Tire Emporium. It's up to you.

    How about determining the ROI (Return On Investment) for some of these items? How can you tell whether its better to buy cheap, poor quality Chinese tires, or top of the line Michelins? Last year I had a message from RA that the price of tires was going up after the turn of the year. Needing a set of drives, I got a little antsy about getting in and taking advantage of the lower price - why I'd save a whole $425.00 on the 4 of 'em. But wait... you drop fuel mileage when replacing old tires with new of the same make... a little analysis from my financial folder shows a fuel savings of around $1500 if I wait until they're at DOT minimums. That's enough to eat the cost of the price increase AND buy a tire. Guessing will get you into financial trouble very quickly. Business analysis helps you to time things in a way to take advantage of your capital position. It keeps you tied into the health of your business, and as I've mentioned before, the last thing you want to do is recall what you were doing a year ago if you have trouble remembering why and how much you were charged by Mikes Overpriced Oil Change Service. Or by Double Charge Annie Inc - getting your head inside of your numbers is essential to being successful.
     
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  7. Doulos

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    I think you recently had a concrete example of this recently when you spoke about what tires were best to use. And, you determined that the better tires provided such a financial benefit that it would waste money not to replace more gas guzzling tires even before they wore out. Lack of knowledge = Lack of control
     
  8. silenteagle

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    Analyzing your numbers can also help you understand the freight network better. As you look at your numbers you will start to see consistent prices per mile out of the areas you run. With that information you can figure out where to position yourself and during what time of the year to do it. Before you say "how do you position yourself", remember your home counter? It can get you to your lane just like it can get you home.:biggrin_25525:
     
  9. cl8936

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    Hey IP, I've been reading this thread for a while. I'm getting ready to start a lease myself and have a few questions.


    I've talked with a bunch of lease drivers at Prime and most of them keep track of certain things but they all seemed to be keeping different information and more or less scribbling it on whatever they have available.


    You wrote that you made up a spreadsheet to keep track of your settlements. Can you post the format your using or just the info that's important to keep track of? You said you have 18 or so numbers you keep track of, specifics would be great.
    Silenteagle, if you see this I'd like to check out the spreadsheets your using as well.
    An .xls file if your using excel or a screenshot of the general format would be awesome. I have a macbook so I use numbers but it will recognize excel and a few other formats.


    You mentioned a couple times that you are spending $21.75 /w on the abacus cpa through prime. The info I had was that primes cpa was something like $7 /w, are you sure its not $21.75 per month? My info could be wrong.


    I'll be starting a lease on top of me just learning how to operate a tanker. I don't mind the challenge but I'm going to have a lot of changes happening at once. Thanks a lot for your help.
     
  10. Doulos

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    Please post what you can of your experiences. I'm just starting with another company and will be here at least a year, but I am highly interested in Prime especially their Tanker Division. Thanks.
     
  11. ironpony

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    That's always a good place to start! Ask questions. LOTS OF QUESTIONS!!! I highly encourage you to find a SUCCESSFUL Prime tanker lease-op, and ask TONS of questions. Find out what he does that makes him successful. The lizard brains that hang out in the truckstop and biotch about why they can't make a buck are the people to avoid!

    Being organized helps a lot, so scribbling stuff on backs of envelopes works until you lose one. What each individual monitors is unique... its what helps you figure out where your business is going. What a tanker guy is going to watch will be different from a door swinger or a flathead. I bet your lumper cost per mile won't even come up in tanker division. Fuel is the big one for everyone...

    I'll play with it, and see what I can come up with. My first attempt was just too darn small... being it's late, it may take me a day or two.

    One thing I found out while getting ready to be a lease op is that the easier you make this on yourself, the more likely you are to keep up with it. Elaborate systems that require a lot of work tend to get disused, and the further behind you get the less likely you are to git 'r done. I use OpenOffice.org's product - mostly because it's free and being a cheap skinflint is how the Chief Financial Officer in you ought to be.

    $21.75 for a rich, high-falutin' lease op. $7.00-ish for a company guy. Evidently you gotta pay to play!

    Ah... bad timing, but don't let that stop you! Knowing that the deck is stacked against you - in lease deals everywhere - is part of beating the odds. When you get to orientation, look around. 3 out of every 5 folks sitting in that room won't make it to the finish line... most will drop out in the first year. It's worse across the industry in general - only 1 in 10 are successful. So you're going to have to work harder than the company guys, learn more, and apply everything that makes you more efficient. That's the key. We have to operate more efficiently than everyone else. Don't let this stop you - but understand that you need all the help you can get. Make sure you get back in for ACE-II within a few weeks of starting.

    Money helps a lot. Hopefully you've got at least $2,000 to $3,000 stashed away at a minimum. More is better.

    When you get into your truck, make sure you check it out thoroughly - and get it all taken care of. While that is happening, start working the relationship with your FM. That one is important, he's your business partner - the better that relationship works, the more likely you are to succeed.

    Good luck, and don't be a stranger!
     
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