How to hijack freight and get paid

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  1. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    If this is happening so often that it is a big issue then something needs to change in how you are picking loads. With 15 trucks we have seen this issue 3x this year and all with the same account. Different drivers and we warned them each time but they got $'s in their eyes.

    When running solo I had it happen once and that was weather related and likely wouldn't have won anything had it gone to court.

    So while it can be an issue if it is a big one for you then look at your market and adjust.
     
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  3. rank

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    Last week I had a a guy wait at the border for 6 hours, when they finally got it cleared through customs he was out of hours. This was 50 loaded miles. What would you have done when they offered you $150?
     
  4. Gunz444

    Gunz444 Light Load Member

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    It would be an interesting study to see what income could be gained by taking the action of off loading freight without permission or hold freight hostage vs the risk. The cost of defending your actions could bankrupt most O/O's. By taking the actions suggested here without the contractual ability to do so changes your small claims action to a 5 figure damages claim against you. Even if you win (a big IF) you still have to take all the time to defend yourself.

    And if you aren't forced to settle because of the legal retainer you have to pay, the court will likely look for a bond that will force you to settle.

    So hardball is one thing. But can't see the reward comes even close to the risk.

    If you want the freight off then let the broker coordinate it. Get that in writing. At a certain stage stop communicating via a phone so that you have a paper trail for when you go to small claims because you sat on a load for a weekend and the broker wouldn't coordinate getting it off loaded.





    Is this "broker" Bill talking or "trucker" Bill. Maybe bill the "attorney" is talking now. What gives?

    The more I read your posts, the more confused I get as to exactly what side you are really on most of the time now. On this one you seem to clearly be leaning to the broker side of the issue, and that's fine. I know you wear two hats, so I can see how it is always a struggle to remain impartial with your advice and comments on here.

    But lets face it BBB. You are a broker as well as a carrier, and it seems the "broker" side seems to take the most offense to this post and the whole Idea of it than the trucker side does. Maybe this whole concept makes broker bill uneasy;as it should.

    So just shoot straight and make your point. If you think it is a huge risk then say so. But do you have any research to back this up? I have my own actual experiences to back it up, albeit a limited amount. Saying you could get sued into bankruptcy? Well back that opinion up.

    There is no "research" that needs to be done. It is what it is. We are all big kids and we can decide for ourselves what is appropriate and what is not when it comes to fighting back against the scum bag brokers out there.

    You keep dropping a lot of serious bombs here like "bankruptcy" and such. It seems like you are trying to scare people away from this idea for some reason.

    Well lets look at me as an example. I have had my authority off and on since 1999. I think that makes me qualified to levy my opinions and stories on this board no matter how I may rub you and the other "old timers" on here.

    I am NO NOOB. Call me out again and I will prove it. Want to compare MC numbers?? Mine begins with 414XXX Where does yours start out? Anybody that knows anything knows how old mine is.

    I have been sued for numerous things over the last decade and I am still kicking. Never got sued into bankruptcy.

    Anybody that wants to look up my corporation will find that it was founded in 1999. I am no new comer to how to run a company, any company for that matter.

    My opinion counts too and here it is:

    If a broker trys to get you to hold a load and tie up your equipment, then threaten to take a lien against the property against accessorial charges and also threaten that you will have to OFFLOAD the freight no matter because you have other commitments with your equipment and that the broker can just arrange to have someone pick up the freight later for delivery AFTER they have agreed to compensate you for the additional charges associated with storage. Storage is a very typical tariff in this industry. Nobody will get sued into bankruptcy for charging for a legitimate tarrif for storing a load due to a blown delivery appointment error ON THE BROKERS PART!!!!
     
  5. Gunz444

    Gunz444 Light Load Member

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    Let me condense this opinion on my part to one sentence:

    If a broker SCREWS up and they threaten to sue YOU over the matter then let them go ahead and try.
     
  6. Gunz444

    Gunz444 Light Load Member

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    Broker bill would think this is ok

    Trucker bill would tell you it sucks.

    When are you people going to do some background work on bill?

    I don't go on a forum like this and give out my company name, and I WILL NOT. I am not that kind of guy.

    But bbbill is. So go look him up.

    Then look at the positions he takes on things. In one thread he is broker bill acting like trucker bill. In another he is trucker bill acting like trucker bill.

    It gets confusing.

    I am gunner the trucker.

    No broker here.

    Just a trucker.
     
  7. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    You are clueless about my business. While I have brokers authority that is to remain legal while helping customers get loads covered. There is a big difference between being a broker and having brokerage authority. I never have to be uneasy about the 1 or 2 loads a month I broker because they will only go on carriers that we have a relationship with.

    The more you read my posts? Really? What because I have one thread about how drivers have a mileage mentality vs revenue. And that carriers looking for loads for them would rather pass up revenue so that they can make big profits on loads that the driver is interested in.

    As far as lawyer, besides not wanting to take the bar and practice law I wasn't in a position to put my life on hold for the additional education need to qualify to take the bar in IL when moved from CA (CA won't accept other states so others states won't accept CA). But how is that relevant at all?

    Now I am a little confused on all this. Are we talking about tariff loads or spot market broker loads?
     
  8. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    No hiding here, you are correct. Also stand behind my opinions and work that I have done. Some here like me, some hate me and most just tolerate me. But it is funny how you take a single thread about business people not thinking like business people and twist it into me being a "broker".

    Shoot away Gunner.
     
  9. Gunz444

    Gunz444 Light Load Member

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    You have a brokers license for 1 or 2 loads a month?

    How much does that bond cost you ?

    How does that make any business sense?
     
  10. Gunz444

    Gunz444 Light Load Member

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    Talk Like a broker

    Complain like a broker

    Carry a broker authority.......looks like a broker to me.
     
  11. RedForeman

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    Here's an idea: cross that place off your map and never go back. Be sure to let them know why. My very best broker customer had a shipper that screwed us over the weekend on some reloads. The only reason I let it happen three times and not just one was the business relationship with that broker. After the third, I just told him we're not going there any more.

    Here's the funny part. That happened about four months ago. Since then, my customer has shared that the shipper has been fighting to improve due to a sharp uptick in service failures from their carriers. Duh. When the only people that will come load your crap are desperate, that's what you get. In the past couple weeks they've lured me back there, but it's taken a strong understanding that the $150 detention concept does not apply there. Incidentally, those two recent loads went on the truck promptly. That shipper has made improvements.

    PS: You already know most stuff coming across the border is trans-loaded. I usually verify this and detention terms before I even accept a load in a border town. At least half of those loads you're gonna be waiting for a slow truck from the other side.
     
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