$20/hr minimum

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Anonymoususerreport, Jan 13, 2013.

  1. Ghost Ryder

    Ghost Ryder Road Train Member

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    Likewise. I'd also tell him to not let the door hit him on his way out.
     
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  3. jakebrake12

    jakebrake12 Road Train Member

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    The thread is a moot point. There are plenty of companies union and non that pay those wages plus some - everybody wants that top scale and gravy run right away and it doesn't work that way so they quit.
     
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  4. striker

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    Let's see, his healthcare is paid for, the gov't backs his mortgage, most things are subsidized, if he can't live off $15/hr then he's got problems.

    Now, let's look at it this way. My company starts at $15.50/hr or 22% for regional work, plus insurance after 90 days and 401K after 1 yr. When I started with them in '97, I made $9.50/hr and 20%, no insurance til 6 months, and no 401K. I drove a POS truck that rattled, recieved one AM and one FM station, the floor had a hole in it, and the plate around the shifter would come loose once a week. You know what, that was 15 yrs ago. Today, I make $19.50/hr for local work, 30% for regional work, plus insurance and 401K, and I drive an '09 tractor that will be replaced with a '14 tractor. I worked my way up, I proved to my employer that I needed the job, I regularly step over my co-workers for work becuase my boss knows that I might complain about a load, but that load will get done, it will get done right, and he doesn't have to hold my hand. My take home varies from week to week, during the slow season, I might only bring home $550 a week, or when it's busy I might bring home $1,200 a week. Oh, and I rarely work weekends unless I volunteer. I have co-workers who whine about every little thing, guess what, it shows in their paycheck. Because of the economy we didn't have pay raises for 2 yrs, Spring of '12 we got pay raises, I'm now at $19.50 and 30%, my % is topped out, my hourly will continue to increase. I've got a co-worker who whines because he's been there 6 yrs and only makes $18/hr. Really? Let's see, he's the first to ask if he can get off early, he hates driving in snow/rain/fog/ice, he whines if they ask him to come in before 6 am and he cries if they ask him to work past 5 pm. When he was hired, he was told we work 10 to 13 hrs a day 5 days a week, you might start early or you might work late, the only thing set in stone is you'll get paid every Friday.

    I am so tired of everyone going ME ME ME ME ME ME take care of ME, pay ME more but don't make me work harder for it. Screw that. BTW, my wife and I make about $73,000/yr combined, I have a 401K, Roth IRA, brokerage account, and I get along just fine. Would it be nice to have more, sure, but then I would want even more. I learned my lesson about being greedy 6 yrs ago and ended up in bankruptcy, now, I'm content to do my job, come home every night, and learn to live in a budget.
     
  5. Ghost Ryder

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    Yup. I guess senority doesn't matter to people anymore. I mean, after all, why on earth would I pay a guy just getting hired onto a company more money than I'm paying the guy who worked for me 20+ years? Not going to happen no matter who you work for.
     
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  6. Ghost Ryder

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    Yeah, but don't forget he's getting raped on taxes. Canadians pay a higher tax wage than we do, for reasons that you listed. So in essense, Health Care isn't free. In fact, the words "Health Care" and "Free" don't belong together.
     
  7. Anonymoususerreport

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    I've been here less than a day, and you know what I've noticed ?

    This is not a truckers forum. It is a forum composed of employers, drivers and people interested in becoming drivers..

    The employers think the usual, that drivers are skill less and anybody can drive. It's the typical "you just drive" attitude.. The employers here also think that driver are lazy and steal time.

    So what do the employers here do ? They stick around here and tell you how worthless you ( as drivers ) are, and cry they are not making any money.

    The employers here want to beat you down and try to make you believe that you are worthless and stupid. That is simply not true\. There are intelligent and mentally challenged individuals in all groups. I have found that truck driver at the places that I have worked have come from other fields and have educations and college degrees. I myself am an interpreter. So don't thing all truck drivers are stupid. And one thing that has to change is the employers/supervisors/dispatchers attitude toward truck drivers.

    Now lets get something straight driving a truck is hard work at any level that is why there are not as many young people getting into as older people dropping out of it.

    The theory that you can teach anyone to drive in a short time is only part of the story. This is true for any industry. You can teach someone how to cook in the back of restaurant in a day , but that doesn't make that person a chef ( or even a good cook ).

    If you are a steering wheel holder you still have to concentrate on the road for 11 hours a day and maybe work up to 14 hours a day, That concentration for that amount of time is demanding. This type of work takes a toll on your health by making you gain weight and lose muscle, and can injury your back. You are away from your home for long periods of time and miss loved ones and special occasions. Now , isn't this worth being justly compensated for your sacrifice ?

    If you deliver petroleum to any type of location you are working outside in the heat of the summer, in the blizzards of the winter, or in the pouring rain when not putting your life on the line driving because some 4 wheel could cut you off and you could blow up. You again are putting your health at risk by breathing cancerous fumes. Isn't this worth compensation ?

    Lets say you are a trash truck driver. You are doing a dirty smelly job, exposed to all kinds of elements, all kinds of dust, and all kinds of chemicals that people just throw away. Isn't this work some decent compensation ?

    Lets say you deliver packages, beverages, or compressed gas cylinders. Now you are using a two wheeler , out in the elements, dealing with the stress of the cars and customers around you. You are doing a good amount of physical labor. Shouldn't you be rewarded for your hard work ?

    Lets say you are plowing snow for 40 straight hours ( usually in a piece of crap truck that can't pass inspection, or has no heat ) to make the roads clear for everyone else to get to work. Again you are killing your back, and wearing down your body. Shouldn't you be rewarded ?

    There are health risks to every type of truck driving, and there takes determination to complete your task in every type of truck driving.

    Backing a 53' trailer at a 90º alley dock in a yard designed for 45' trailers take a considerable amount of learned skill.

    Learning to shift a 10,12,13,15,18,21 speed transmission correctly takes a good 6 month to year to master.

    There are always new things to learn in truck driving. So , if it is so easy why are we learning for our entire careers ?

    Since a class A truck driver ( combination unit ) is technically above a class B ( straight truck ) all of these examples are relevant. Don';t try to argue that those examples are different types of truck driving and not what you are talking about.

    People who say truck driving is easy don't do it 60 hours a week. Sure it's easy to steer a truck down the hi-way for one 12 hour shift but what about 6 12 hour shifts for 52 weeks a year ? It's not so easy after a few days.. You are using a lot of concentration.

    Now, shouldn't a grown man be rewarded enough for all these thing to be able to buy a decent house, a new car, and care for his family that he doesn't see that much ?

    MARK my words- in 5 years good truck drivers will be making as much as nurses !

    Why ? Supply and demand is one factor. There are more "qualified" drivers leaving the drive pool in the next 5 years than there are drivers entering the market. Look around.. The companies are getting more aggressive.. More and more of them are willing to teach people who are willing to get a learners permit. They do this for two reasons 1) they can't find anyone. 2) They want naive people who they can pay cheap wages for a few years because they don't want to pay for a "qualified" truck driver. But this plan is going to catch up to them with the CSA in play. New people make more mistakes, and the CSA rating goes up.

    Secondly is the criminal and driving record factor. Every day someone get in trouble with the law and is not qualified to drive anymore. It could be truck violations, DUI in a personal vehicle, domestic violence.. The list goes on and on...

    Thirdly is the drivers health. We all know long haul driving takes a toll on your health. Driving at any level is stressful. Now we have "driver self-certification" by 2014 anyone who doesn't produce a medical card will have their CDL downgraded to a car license. People are already giving them up because they don't use their CDL. That just take more people out of the market. The crack addicts won't be able to fake their medical cards some day after 2014 because sooner or later the doctor will be directly connected via the internet to the RMV/DMV.

    More and more rules ( and tracking ) are coming down every day, and a lot of people don't know about them yet. CSA2010 hasn't even gone into full effect yet. It's a 3 year algorithm, and it started in 2010.

    If the economy got better right now we wouldn't have enough drivers to move all the products.

    There are a lot of factors in play here for the next 5 years.
     
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  8. Anonymoususerreport

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    Not true at UPS and fedx where I live every blue collar worker is the same union, and they can go back down the ladder for a day or a week until the work picks up again.

    Look, unions are complicated.. Everything is good when things are going good, but when the company wants you gone the union won't back you up because they don't want to lose money ( union dues) because companies these days can break unions if they want to. the companies just play along and say "why didn't you file a grievance for all those other things?" after they fire you.
     
  9. jakebrake12

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    I think what he was getting at was work rules. Generally at a union company you can't hit the dock for the night if your run was cut because of work rules and how the work is assigned.
     
  10. jakebrake12

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    Nope. They want it now... Well said.
     
  11. Florida Playboy

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    Well the guy who worked there for 20+ plus years should be getting at least $23 an hour. The new guy should get $19 plus overtime after 40. Not $16 an hour straight. Just because you pay the 20+ year vet $19 an hour does not make it right.
     
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