Also a former 'white collar' who got caught in the 90's Cold War being over defense cutbacks, and resultant mass aerospace layoffs.
Looks like you have done your homework and have your eyes wide open going in...so, good luck! I made it 5 yrs w/Knight but started w/them when they were smaller and had a reputation as a driver's co. If you look at your time driving with them as 'treading water' and gaining experience, and if you maintain your professional attitude, then better days will be ahead in crossing over to the trucking industry...
Knight has a History of 'unrealistic' Driver Policies
Discussion in 'Knight' started by OverDrive, Jun 18, 2012.
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Thank you--I am never too proud to accept good luck. I am attempting to perform as much fact gathering as so I can be better informed as to what to expect.
I talked with a recruiter after lunch. For the record:
A T-Call is when a load is dropped off at a terminal and not at the receiver--the penalty, none really; one gets paid the miles from the shipper to the terminal and nothing less.
As to my question if retribution will be taken on a driver who refuses a load, the answer is YES Indeed! Quote the recruiter: "DMs work hard to get loads for you. If you refuse more than two loads in a row, you will probably sit more." I will also be forced to go anywhere while on at Squire and probably Knight also until I have experience with the company.
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I am now doubling-down on my efforts to get on with a Ma & Pa or LTL outfit.Last edited: Jan 28, 2013
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If you have some valid reason (of which there arent many), such as trying to get home and the particular load/direction will keep you out too long from some concrete, home plans that your DM has already been notified of (& agreed to!)---but "I dont want to" wont hack it!! Usually even using the 'bad weather' excuse wont get you out of it w/o retribution unless possibly you're a newbie and they dont want you to wreck "their" truck or lose the load, and ergo have to pay the shipper for the load as well as lose the $$$ for hauling it!
T-calls are suppose o help keep a driver running rather than sitting. If a driver arrives on a Fri, and the load is a Mon 'live unload,' often they will T-call the load (take it off the driver) and assign him another load to keep him running; however, some poor smuck will have to p/u the load Mon morning, and if local wont get any miles for his effort, but will take to the final destination for a flat fee & several hrs of their time. But Knight looks at the whole thing as balancing out for all drivers and so take your turn in the barrel...
But the bottom line is: Knight is a business and minimizes its losses while maximizing its profits---it's the driver who usually loses for their mistakes (and is the face to their customers).....
EDIT: btw "treading water" to me means making enuf to pay 'normal' bills. The avg Knight driver who is out 2 wks/home 3 days makes about $30-35K/yr...to get up to $50K/yr need to be out 3-4 weeks w/3 days off, and take any and all loads assigned...most DM's look favorably upon those who do and try to keep them running.Last edited: Jan 28, 2013
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I know its not like the way you describe it here. It sounds like you have NO idea. Where you even around the trucking industry back in the 70s and 80s? Do you have a clue on how things used to run? I was. People made lots of money doing this back then. The industry is undergoing some kind of a change right now, with the EPA, FMCSA and other federal agencies. We (most) all know how trucking was, is, and will be. The economy tanked. Driver pay, shipper rates and the equipment have only changed very little. But from what I know on what gramps and my old man have taught me is.....
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MMark my words. Watch, wait and see what happens as soon as the economy picks up momentum. With Americas pockets full of money, do you think truck drivers and trucking companies are gonna keep getting a hard time from everyone ??? Yea right! Then baby, its back to the old school! Just like Smokey saying "hey is that bandit hauling ace over there" Nahhhh it couldnt of been.
I know its coming back.
That's when everybody will leave this industry to do the things they REALLY want to do. Then driver demand will be up.
Not the kind of shortage there is now. I mean a real shortage. As in qualified available trucks and drivers. -
I got into the industry in 1998 and things have changed drastically since then. And, nothing for the better for the driver!
Trucking will NEVER be like it was in the 'good ol days,' and those who keep trying to convince themselves it will are living in La La Land.
But denial is a way of life for many, and some with false hopes (offered as 'for sures') have to keep themselves going mentally.
And most long haul loads have been going by rail, which means trucks are being used to shuttle to rail heads and drop off/pickup trailers/containers for local deliveries---i.e. no miles, just getting paid hourly---also i.e., truckers wont make the kind of $$$ as the old long-haulers of yore. Trucking will mainly be short-to-medium runs or local deliveries.
With $$$ being tight, the economy will not ever be what it was under a new type of socialist admin, JIT (just-in-time) is going to be relaxed to save $$, and coast-to-coast trucking will give way to the rails..sorry for this 'reality check.'
EDIT: And btw, one of the main reasons there is any kind of shortage of drivers in recent years is that CDL schools are Govt funded and are all over the country, but most newbies (60%) dont make it 9 mos in the industry after getting their CDL---incidents/accidents/hardships/away from home for extended periods, etc. weed them out with their own 'reality checks.' But with the 7.8% unemployment rate being the new 'norm' and Govt loans abundant, there will always be a supply of those trying to get into the industry. But it takes a certain kind of person to be an OTR driver long-term (I wont elaborate on that statement so as not to offend anybody...)Last edited: Jan 29, 2013
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Specifically to Knight: just the fact that you may have to kill some fifteen hours per week hunting down empty trailers has to put the cap on the annual gross income. Personally, for me, I ain't a haulin' a trailer with no brakes or lights or tires and risk getting DOT tickets or worse. Consequently, I would have to kill even MORE time sitting trying to have the trailer fixed or by attempting to fix it myself. I will pay a higher price than the drivers that don't give a flying hockey puck and just hook up and go regardless--and yes I read that on a Knight thread as to exactly what one driver claimed to do.
Again, I reference the Smaggs thread--he intimated that he rarely took home time and essentially took every load down the pike. Depite this, the best he did, as given in his Marten thread, is $18.5k in 12.15 months while at Knight, I believe he speculated that kicking per diem to the curb was perhaps one of the reasons why--miles dropped significantly as I recall.
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$35K is not that much $$$! Your expenses on the road can add up eating at truck stops, etc. Plus you are more liable to get tkts, and moving violations will go on your personal driving record, i.e. affect your private insurance. I was more fortunate than most drivers over my 10 yrs, w/no weigh tkts/ DOT violations (had them 'fixed/repaired' w/o costing me any $), etc. and only 1 moving violation (a CA speed trap looking for 60+ mph trucks along the Mojave Desert back roads). And taking your own food and eating out of your truck gets old, esp when having to sit waiting for loads. Plus doing your own laundry, may have to pay for a daily shower, etc. adds up.
But not too many jobs are available for starting over mid-life (where age can be a benefit and not a liability as in being more responsible) and making that kind of $$,
Also, being mechanically inclined & experienced helps out dramatically--I fixed, band-aided, and stretched out driving w/probs knowing their limits as having grown up working on farm eqpt & carsshadowdaddy Thanks this. -
I understand and agree to this--$35k/yr in my area has not been much money since 1992. However, what we are experiencing in America is a Chinafication of the mass of American Citizen workers--and I will leave it at this so that I do not violate political restraints of TTR.
Most every industry has taken a hit since 2001 and another hit during the past five years. I am middle aged also, therefore you should know that age discrimination out there is rampant. I was getting 'dissed' in my thirties with recruiters point blank telling me over the telephone 'we are kinda looking for college aged applicants'.
My ten days of OTR was as a team driver. I rarely got REM sleep in those ten days, so perhaps this is what may have suppressed my appetite. I agree that eating cold sandwiches gets old. However, cereal for breakfast is all I have every done most of my life--bacon and eggs are great, but if I am not going through physical exertion, I don't miss them except for my taste buds. The co-driver had more shower credits on his card than both of us could use.
I am fairly confidant that I can survive if I can gross $375-500 most weeks. I understand that the more one spins the revolver....or the more miles a driver logs, the more susceptible that driver is to getting a violation. Congrats on only one citation in ten years--I hope I get three years with that many let alone ten.
There are not too many jobs period regardless of age, but being aged is a detriment. I have been in recession for over one decade. Apparently, I will be for one more year further too since I probably will only make $15k/yr if I am at a bottom feeder. I cannot really predict my future, but if by this time next year I am not making at least 42 cents/mile driving a truck OTR, then I will just have to re-assess my situation at that time--meanwhile, I have to start the experience clock so that I can get out of 'less than one year's experience' purgatory. I got a few more applications sent to some Ma & Pa's...we shall see if one of them saves me from getting slayed by the Knight....
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But you wont always get to stop at a 'nice' truck stop every night---I spent many nites parked along side interstate entrance ramps (violated Knight's sitting duck policy, but when out of hrs and couldnt make it to a safe parking area, was also 'safe' as any traffic had to stop at a stop sign b4 passing by to enter the interstate) outside of a town/city, and Rest Areas eating out of the machines.
When I 1st started out driving team, was kept busy but also so focused on delivering on-time freight didnt have much of an appetite, and lost a couple of lbs. But once you get into the 'groove' and spend time at truck stops waiting for loads, nothing to do but eat or sleep! Then the lbs start coming---ask RizenPhoenix who got off the road and dropped 100 lbs over a yr (@ 6'5"), went back to OTR and gained 20+ lbs in just 3 mos!shadowdaddy Thanks this.
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